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[–] 1 point 6 months ago (15 children)

it’s pretty straight forward

first, not ml’s, progressives.

second, they need the more votes, and courting the right is insufficient. that’s backed by their internal report, and their losses with their preferred candidates.

third, they are not doing their job because they do not counter the republican party. they waste their time instead maintaining power of corporate democrats

these are all consistent

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (14 children)

    first, not ml’s, progressives.

    Hasan is an open ML, and you're saying the Dems need people sharing his views to get votes.

    second, they need the more votes, and courting the right is insufficient. that’s backed by their internal report, and their losses with their preferred candidates.

    Source?

    third, they are not doing their job because they do not counter the republican party. they waste their time instead maintaining power of corporate democrats

    Do not counter the Republican party how? They don't have the seats...

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (13 children)

    https://lemmy.world/post/45610837

    1. no he isn’t, he is a self proclaimed democratic socialist.
    2. https://democraticautopsy.org/wp-content/uploads/Autopsy-2024-How-Democrats-Lost-The-Whitehouse.pdf
    3. based on institutional self suppression, alignment to their corporate doaners, the abandonment of leverage such as the shut down, refusal to leverage the rejection of the genocide in gaza, this with the report show an unwillingness to do anything, not an incapability.

    the government shut down was gaining political traction and leverage with the progressive vote for progressive candidates. they _immediately _ abandoned all leverage once this was clear, and gave in to all republican demands signaling that progressive control was more dangerous to party control.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (12 children)
    1. He has literally talked about the end goal being Communism. He's an ML.
    2. This is largely an opinion peice, and also does not draw the conclusion that Democrats lost because they didn't cater to MLs
    3. Cool opinion

    I didn't say dems are perfect, or haven't been dropping the ball.

    I'm making the case that courting someone who's goal is to promote communism and who's anti-liberal views are completely at odds with the party is obviously not of interest or a good move for the Dems.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (11 children)

    my argument have never been that the democrats needed to interface at all with Hassan, but they are spending their efforts into attacking him as a further battle against the growing progressive base. this includes astro turfing false narratives against him that you have brought up.

    my point is that they are not merely dropping the ball, that they are making a concerted effort to court the right and fighting to prevent progressives from gaining sway over the party.

    the argument that the report is an “opinion” is in bad faith. its methodology is sound, its conclusions are measurable and it corllates to democratic actions in giving up the shutdown. and is backed by the establishment actively attempting to suppress it

    these are not dropping the ball, this is a pattern of internal alignment with the republicans over their own base.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (10 children)

    Again, they are not spending significant effort "attacking" Hasan that's keeping them from doing other things. That's a fantasy.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago* (9 children)

    i don’t care about Hassan, it’s not about him, he is just yet another example of the larger effort the democratic party expends to fight against the progressive base from getting control.

    if your argument is that effort at self sabotage, that has cost them the election due to voter apathy, i disagree. and the numbers show it.

    if the argument is that this internal sabotage isn’t what is stopping them from doing their job, then that means they are “dropping the ball” by choice

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    i don’t care about Hassan, it’s not about him, he is just yet another example of the larger effort the democratic party expends to fight against the progressive base from getting control.

    And yet you say that pushing back against him trying to inject himself into the part takes significant effort from the party that could be devoted to other things.

    If we agree that Hasan is a bad example of a person they'd want in the coalition, then who are these other "progressive" figures they are spending so much effort fighting against?

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago* (7 children)

    It’s not about finding a 'perfect' individual; it's about the documented institutional effort to crush the progressive wing regardless of the candidate.

    If you want examples of who the party fights, look at the 2024 and 2026 primary cycles. The establishment (via groups like AIPAC and the Democratic Majority for Israel) spent over $100 million,the most in U.S. history, specifically to unseat progressives like Jamaal Bowman and Cori Bush. In the 2026 special election in New Jersey, they even turned on a former moderate like Tom Malinowski the second he suggested conditioning aid to Israel.

    This isn't about Hasan, it’s about the fact that the DNC recently voted down a resolution to limit the influence of dark money and corporate PACs in Democratic primaries. They are effectively keeping the door open for Republican billionaire mega-donors (like Miriam Adelson) to fund 'Democratic' primary campaigns against progressives.

    When the party leadership chooses to protect that dark money pipeline instead of their own base, they aren't dropping the ball, they are protecting their donors.

    My point stands: the establishment perceives a loss to a Republican as a manageable setback, but they perceive a progressive takeover of the party as an existential threat. The spending records prove it.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    under attack by his closest aligning party, because he is threatening right wing democrats position, and gamesmanship of the vote

    So then we agree that this comment was either nonsense or bait.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago* (5 children)

    NO,

    he is facing attacks from the democrat party, because he represents a progressive shift. and the democrats are doing so because they see progressive movement as a larger threat then the republican party. 

    this is consistent to my whole argument, and why i said that.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    What's your strongest example of a Democrat attacking Hasan for his progressive views?

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Abdul El-Sayed campaigned with Hasan at Michigan State and the University of Michigan. the Haley Stevens and Senator Elissa Slotkin came out and condemned it and announced they are shunning Hasan and anyone who reaches out to him.

    Senator Mallory McMorrow directly compared him as the Nick Fuentes of the left. a direct comparison to a white supremisist neo nazi.

    Rep. Brad Schneider has outright and publicly labeled him an anti-semite

    Jonathan Cowan wrote a Wall Street Journal op-ed titled "Draw a Line in the Sand," stating: "No Democrat should engage with him. All should seek to push him to the fringe, where he belongs."

    he was kicked out of the 2024 DNC because he criticized the democratic party complicity in the genocide in gaza.

    if you don’t consider these attacks on his voice and his character, then by that logic the establishment never attacked trump either.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I consider them attacks against his character, of course. And I outlined exactly why they are attacking his character.

    I asked you for examples of them attacking him based on his "progressive views".

    That's your claim.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    You justify attacks on his character and ignore why he is targeted to avoid admitting that the party is hostile to the left. You asked for examples of them attacking him for his views, and I gave you a list of high-ranking Democrats who used astroturfed labels like ml, neo-Nazi and antisemite, the exact moment he started campaigning for an arms embargo in Michigan.

    That isn't a character critique it's a political hit job designed to make his progressive views radioactive. If they didn't care about his views, they wouldn't have kicked him out of the 2024 DNC for his stance on Gaza, and the DNC wouldn't have just voted in New Orleans to protect the dark money PACs that fund these character assassinations. You’re not arguing in good faith, you’re justifying a purge by pretending it’s a personality conflict.

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