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I am begging nerds to stop trying to vindicate the prequels
It's like that meme with the frogs in boiling water. Things keep getting worse, so the past looks better.
"Hey, remember when the pot was only half boiling? That was awesome! Way better than this full boil!"
Real. I want half boil again.
Half boil was underrated!
Calling austerity turning the gas down, bringing us back to half boil, as a treat
Liking Star Wars in general should be met with immediate suspicion. Andor good. First movie good. I accept people really enjoying empire even if I think it's just okay. Anyone who cares about anything else maybe isn't awful but there's an over fifty percent chance they are. I accidentally made a reddit on the andor board and the reply made my fucking blood boil:
Precisely why writers SHOULD NEVER EVER EVER respect the fan base. Tie in merchandise shouldn't be canon. That's insane. Is this canon then?
Are the Dr Pepper cans with Sebulba on them part of the deep lore of Star Wars? Cause it seems fucking everything is fair game with this bullshit franchise.
The thing that annoys me the most about star wars' "deep lore" is that 99% of it is the most shallow and obvious shit imaginable. Greedo was a Rodian and a Bounty Hunter - so the Rodians are an entire alien species whose culture revolves around bounty hunting. Chewbacca was Han Solo's friend and first mate - so every wookie you meet until the end of time is attached to some non-wookie by means of a life debt (which we will retroactively apply to chewie's relationship to han as well). There was occasionally something interesting mixed in there, but almost all of it was sandblasted off in order to make the franchise as smooth around the edges as possible (a process that started with that fucking cgi cartoon long before the mouse bought the franchise).
The guys in the bar trying to start a fight with Luke do have multiple death warrants across the galaxy and are not just belligerent drunks bullshitting.
I read wooliepedia articles at work in a Palpatine voice as an ongoing work gag. I have have a deep sociological interest in the fans and the series as an ongoing phenomenon. The last time Sebulba is accounted for was on some planet which name escapes me signing autographs at 10:30am on a Saturday. This is accounted for and important
You ever become so alienated you need to use an old rascist trope to explain the process of friendship and or trauma bonding?
My favorite things about the deep lore:
At least Frank Herbert had the balls to explicitly make Paul and Leto II Atraides bad guys to the reader.
The cgi cartoon is peak.
It's mid grade slop for children.
Synthesis: It's peak slop for children
All star wars is slop for children. Of that slop, the cartoon is third best after OG and Andor.
Mass effect 1 did that better, usually the alien squadmates are the opposite of their respective species stereotype.
Are they? They're all more paragons of their species traits
No? Turians are by the book strait-laced soldiers, while garrus is a punisher/thin blue line maverick type. The asari are diplomatic, social and "seductive", while Liara is an anti-social shy nerd. The krogans are dumb violent brute & mercenaries, while wrex is introspective, war-weary and loyal. And lastly the quarians are characterized as lazy polluting vagrants, while Tali is resourceful, values her home and is constantly working in the engine room.
Turians are hierarchical, Spartan, and disciplined. Garrus is all those things but he's mad that Citadel cops have to obey rules and he prefers being in the much shallower hierarchy of the Normandy following a Spectre around. Asari spend their youths exploring, learning and picking up influence, which Liara does. Being social and seductive is a stereotype other asari openly deride sometimes. Wrex loves a good fight, he's just tired of krogan-on-krogan violence specifically while Grunt is all about fighting anything with a pulse, much more like the stereotype. The quarians are a straight standin for the real Roma and stereotypes of them being lazy vagrants is pulled from real world racism. Tali isn't different from other quarians because every single one of them is a hard worker and keeps the fleet operating. In at least one of the games you learn about how quarians will dip out from the fleet to search for resources in small groups before returning. That's how you run into Tali, twice.
One of the most important things to learn as a writer. You can respect your audience, but you shouldn't ever expect them to respect you. They will always come at you with how the story "should" be, usually catered to their own specific tastes rather than anything that would actually improve the story.
Don't give people what they want, give them something they didn't know they wanted.
Exactly how it is!
No, but I bet the stupid spherical bottles of soda they make with the labels in Star Wars writing at Disneyland probably are lol
It's so fucking funny that when they were looking for merch opportunities all they had was Blue Milk lmao
And the green milk that Luke drinks fresh from the
tits in the sequel movies
That's why it was actually good that Disney scrapped the extended universe, most of it was Mary Sue fanfic tier garbage anyway.
Star Wars having a canonical Japanese mythology-inspired origin of creator gods for their universe is so fucking lame. It's like all fantasy fiction just bends towards being the same thing given enough time.
It was half Japanese to start with so that's not out of line.
And the whole Mortis thing was George's idea lol
The simple answer is that the Sebulba Dr. Peppers arent canon for rhe same reason that the Ghorman Massacre wasn't canon: It wasnt adopted into the universe's current canon. And the fact that the Ghormam Massacre was is inconsequential. If you caught the sly reference, you can tie it into other things you enjoy, amd if not it's just a notable massacre.
This wasn't even a pander to a fanbase demand. It was just an easter egg. I personally don't care, but if it makes somebody else feel good, whatever
I was okay that they ahd their cake and ate it too. If the massacre in the show was tarkin landing a ship on em I'd have been more bummed. And for anything else it's an Easter egg, but star wars fans were absolutely stoked to see tarken land his space ship on the ghormans and would have absolutely been made had it not at least been mentioned. Star Wars fans in particular have eaten too many Easter eggs and it's partially why they're mostly frothing rabid junkyard dogs
A feminist film critic I once said to me the movie about Prince od Leah? Too many phallic symbols, I never looked back.
Sequels were gas
Gas as in farts?
Interesting opinion
They can't. It gets too much attention in the attention economy. Also, instead of having a taste that evolves they'd rather use increasingly desperate online-arguments to say why everything in their childhood was good actually.
I don't get the rose tinted glasses for some things.
Like, I'm a nostalgia piggy, but even I can be like "yeah no this one can stay in the past thanks". I saw The Phantom Menace at prime nostalgia age too, like 8 years old or so.
Star Wars, Harry Potter and The Lion King are all things I used to like, but the older I get the more I kind of hate them.
Although maybe people say the same thing about things I like idk.
Fr. There's stuff from childhood that holds up and stuff that doesn't. It's okay to acknowledge that. I was deep into beast wars and space Jam when I was 5. Beast Wars is still a decent watch, space jam sucks. Digimon is still great, no interest in Pokémon. I just like stuff that's good
IP that hit you at those ages is so odd. Like I considered myself a star wars fan for a very long time but when I really took the time to consider the quality of the media, I think the only star wars media I actually truly enjoy are some of the older video games; mainly the og battlefronts, jedi academy, republic commando. I never got deep into kotor or the old extended universe books but I bet I would’ve liked those.
It’s sad because I feel a lot of the general world building and lore of the star wars universe could be really cool but it’s often so fucking bland.
I think I could've been a Star wars nerd but I learned about the Sun Crusher or whatever it's called and how they kept inventing new superweapon macguffins culminating in the completely indestructible single-man spaceship that blows up stars. Also Luke's evil clone, Luuke, and the emperor's son Trioculus, because he had 3 eyes.
And there's a whole ass novel just about Vader's left glove because it can't be enough that he stopped Han's shot with the Force, his left glove specifically is blaster proof and we have to explore that.