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[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 33 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Theory: just like in Ukraine, part of the goal is to draw out military capabilities and see how they perform. Russia did everything it could to limit advanced tech deployment in the beginning of the SMO to avoid showing all its cards, but the US still gained valuable Intel on Russian capabilities. If my theory is correct that this flare up is being directed by the US, it could be partially to get Intel on the field performance of Chinese weapon systems.

[–] CommCat@hexbear.net 33 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

France would not allow their best fighter jet to get shot down by China's mid range fighter jets, just so Uncle Sam could get some information on Chinese military hardware. It's a major blow to the reputation of Dassault (Rafale Manufacturer). Western military tech sales are hyped up because of their real world success on the battlefield, but they've always been picking on weaker armies.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Would France have any power here? The issue is whether or not India attacks Pakistan. What happens afterward is all data. My conjecture is the US has a vested interest in India attacking Pakistan, that this flare up was engineered by the US, and I am trying to understand what the US gains from it as a way of analyzing my hypothesis

[–] Eiren@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Intel may be part of it, but I suspect thoy wanted to try to force conflict between China and India + thoroughly corner another Muslim country, if possible.

I suspect they had little belief Chinese tech would be on an entirely different, superior level to western tech, or they considered it a relatively unlikely worst case scenario.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 3 days ago

I agree that the intelligence angle is only part of it. The chaos of war creates a lot of opportunities. Additionally, it can potentially shore up domestic support for Modi as a "war-time" leader, create some pretext for Indian arms mobilization, create some pretext for US "peacekeeping" forces to be deployed, etc.

I think this conflict can do a lot for the US project, which is why I think the US may be behind it.

[–] context@hexbear.net 9 points 3 days ago

maybe they weren't expecting to get shot down and assumed they'd get the data without any losses

[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

China also wants to know if their equipment performs as expected. It has, maybe even exceeding expectations.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 3 days ago

I didn't think China would be pushing for a conflagration to test their systems though

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 7 points 3 days ago

Indeed!

but the US still gained valuable Intel on Russian capabilities

The logistics of war being the one aspect they couldn't hide, or intentionally had several severe fuckups.