“I’m saying it right now,” Homan said. “There’s still going to be more bloodshed unless they shut their mouth and let ICE enforce the laws that they enacted.”

DHS has acknowledged that neither of the men who have been shot in recent weeks was the target of the ICE operations that led to their deaths.

A witness reported that Guerrero shouted, “I tried to stop” after being shot by an agent while his vehicle moved forward slowly.

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[–] 137 points 3 months ago (20 children)

"let ICE enforce the laws that they enacted"

I don't recall anyone enacting a law that said "round up brown people in concentration camps and kill protesters"

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  • [–] 63 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    Also pretty sure it's not ICE's job to enact laws.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    I'm pretty sure by "they" he meant Democrats.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    Probably, but these are not Democrat laws.

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  • [–] -3 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    Might want to check the voting record on ICE establishment, support and funding there sport.

    Right up until well into the 2020s they were a bipartisan effort.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    This reminds me of the "you know, the southern states who supported slavery were all democrats" rhetoric.

    ICE before 2024 was a completely different agency. Trying to argue that the democratic party is somehow to blame for Trump's executive orders, the construction/creation of concentration camps over the last year, and mass hiring of a bunch of untrained white nationalists is an absolutely insane take.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Obama gave the current head of ICE a medal! After appointing him to the job!

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (3 children)

    And Abraham Lincoln was a Republican, and Strom Thurmond was a Democrat, and Stalin was a seminary student! Before becoming an exiled Social Democrat! Oooooh!

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Huh. So you literally don't know that Obama appointed the current head of ICE, Tom Homan, to his position? I'm not surprised that you think it's a crazy piece of propaganda, it surprised me too.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Huh. So you literally don't know that both humans, parties, and political organizations change over the span of their lifetimes, and very frequently become the opposite of what they started out being?

    Or that others failing to respond to your obvious shoehorn when your "both sides the same" fell flat on its face is not an accurate measure of their personal knowledge on that subject?

    Or that you personally, and not anyone else, brought the word "propaganda" into what others are conducting as a simple online conversation without effort to steer it to a desired political conclusion?

    Unlike yourself, none of this was ever a surprise to me at all. Best go check with your trainer to find out what to say next.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    They do, yep. I do not see how that is relevant to the fact that the Democrats did in fact help build the current border protection system, and deserve a lot of the blame.

    The thing that may redeem them as a party is that they are possibly changing their minds. I recognise that. It does not change their past complicity, especially Biden's.

    And this is not like the shift from Lincoln, or the racist history of the Democrats. This is recent history. Don't be a wanker.

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  • [–] 22 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    Joe Biden spent a record amount on ICE camps while the threat of fascism was obviously clear.

    Obama not only discovered Homan, but awarded him with a medal when Homan devised a plan to separate migrant children from their parents at detention centers.

    Every single dem senator voted to confirm Marco Rubio, who has obviously been one of the biggest champions of "immigration enforcement.

    They're not entirely wrong when they say the Democrats gave them a mandate.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago*

    I mean we have to acknolwedge that Rubio and Homan did not act back then the way they do now. A Christian Nationalist (Nat-C) movement electing a fascist president has a way of bringing the latent bigot out of people that may have been decent at suppressing it in the past.

    People across this nation have been experiencing that on a personal level with their family/friends for the last decade.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    So is it just required to blame democrats for everything republicans do on your instance? You all never seem to miss an opportunity to criticize and blame Dems. Never mention republicans though. Fishy, that.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Why do y'all get so bruised when extremely valid critiques are leveled against the democrats?

    blame democrats for everything republicans do

    Uh, Joe Biden was not a republican. Neither was Obama. And it should be clear the Democrat senators are also not Republicans...

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  • [+] -7 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Nobody mentioned either party till you chimed in to bullshit that it's all the Dems faults. Now this is where you call me blue maga or a zionist or some other dumb fucking out of pocket nonsense and call in the ml brigade and sockpuppets too boost your comment and downvote disagreement. Looks like you already got started on part of that.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    you chimed in to bullshit that it's all the Dems faults

    Do show me where this happened.

    Nobody mentioned either party till you chimed

    You did read the headline, right?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago*

    Honestly? We don't think Republicans can do any better, so we don't try to change them. They chose their side a long time ago. They are the enemy.

    Democrats, we know you, we know that you can do better because sometimes you do. You share our values. Even if your political leaders are captured by capitalist interests, you cheer when they do the right thing. So it is very frustrating to us to see you choose wrong.

    It's like being an Australian in the time of Trump. We are seriously worried and horrified about what's going on in the USA, because you are literally our ally.

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