mechoman444 comments on This is the crazy 'Christian' lady, highjacking a plane to do an unsolicited cermon, being kicked off

[+] mechoman444@lemmy.world -23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

This is absolutely completely untrue. Especially since the woman was latino with a Spanish accent.

You know what. People probably don't tell you this enough, but shut the fuck up.

Edit: I fully concede my point on my assumptions concerning her race and accent. That was my own prejudice working against me and I was unable to filter it in this comment. I apologize for my racial sensitivity.

However, I will not concede my point on how absolutely untrue comments statements are about Brown and Muslim people being treated differently in this particular scenario. And I will once again reiterate for that person to shut the fuck up.

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[–] GarboDog@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* (3 children)

We cannot vouch if she’s of Latino decent since we’re bad at telling that kind of stuff (she doesn’t look Latino at all, just a typical whit lady to us with a tan), but we can tell that’s very much not a Spanish accent.

Bthest is very much right, especially since Muslim, brown, and various other minorities have been removed from planes for far lesser to even just existing (did you magically forget the fucn racist executive order 13769 Muslim ban on planes they tried pushing in 2017??) no yeah she’s very much privileged and no we also wouldn’t feel safe with her on a plane or anyone else shouting/harassing/disturbing the peace.

We’re not sure if the guy was security or not but him trying to be respectful we’re guessing he either didn’t/couldn’t request security or thought he could handle the situation on his own. Either way there was extreme favoritism towards her being a white Christian (he probably didn’t want to escalate it himself because putting the airline/himself on a Christian hit list is horrible) especially with her trying to escalate the situation several times egging them in to being physical to her or provoking.

In any case tldr your wrong, her religion and skin color were deciding factors in their actions and she’s not Latino nor was that a Spanish accent. Mejor suerte la próxima vez, así que cállate la puta boca. :/

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[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world -5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

I'll concede my original point. I was wrong about her race, nationality, and accent. Looking back, that was my own unchecked prejudice. I made an assumption based on how she looked and spoke, and I shouldn't have. That's on me.

That said, I think you're doing something very similar when you confidently assert that she was treated differently because she was white and Christian. The video doesn't establish that. It's an inference about the motives of the airline staff, not evidence. You're presenting speculation as though it's a proven fact.

As for Executive Order 13769, that isn't really relevant here. It was an executive order signed by Donald Trump restricting entry into the United States from several Muslim-majority countries. It was enormously controversial, challenged in court, and widely criticized as discriminatory. But it was an immigration policy, not a policy directing airlines to remove Muslims from domestic flights. Pointing to an unpopular executive order from an administration that many people already viewed as racially insensitive doesn't demonstrate that race or religion were the deciding factors in this completely separate incident.

If your argument is simply that she should have been removed from the plane sooner because she was causing a disturbance, I can understand that position. But claiming she received preferential treatment because she was white and Christian requires evidence specific to this incident, not assumptions about the motivations of the people involved.

Edit: One more important point, because I think a lot of people get this confused:

The United States is not the Donald Trump administration. There are tens of millions of Americans who do not support what his administration is doing and actively oppose many of its policies, including me.

Please don't take the actions of one administration and attribute them to the American people as a whole. The United States is a nation of over 330 million people with a wide range of political beliefs, and no single administration speaks for every American.

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[–] GarboDog@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

Not sure how you can say she’s not being treated better when there have been many people arrested/literally dragged/denied access but ok, she more than likely just got into another plane and stfu that time while (again) many others would’ve been banned from that air port or more likely arrested by air port police.

Regardless the full picture isn’t clear due to lack of public evidence except her video (unless the airline made a statement but we’re too lazy to look for it rn, typing this while rewatching one piece lol) so if you want to discuss further on her being escorted as calmly even though she was pointing out she totally didn't have a gun or bomb (that right there is usually an instant tackle) we both would need more evidence on what actually went down with how the airline treated her. But from the video so far yeah she was treated far better than many others along with a long well documented history of other similar incidents (and some we’ve personally experienced like how while working at star bucks we had to kick out anyone soliciting, including religious stuff, however that was not including Christians (we kicked them out anyways idgaf)) it’s hard to believe she was treated as well as Alvin Jackson, Emmanuel Jean Joseph, Xavier Veal and 5 other people of color being kicked off an American Airlines plane with no valid reason, David Dao a Vietnamese physician being physically assaulted and dragged off a United Express plane, two unnamed muslim couple kicked off Delta Airlines, and many others. None of them were being disruptive or even a bother to anyone else and yet they get harassed, dragged out or worse assaulted. Instead they let the lady say her spoil then calmly walked her out while (again) she was trying to initiate confrontation several times. So sorry but we’d have to disagree on her being treated as unfairly as others when there’s a bit of a pattern.

Also yes, Executive Order 13769 was an immigration ban but overall it was treated and implemented as a blanket ban as Muslims and other minorities were affected heavily in usa as well. Damage was literally immediate with families torn apart, people detained for no reason, blocked even state by state as they were still not a citizen yet. So glad they finally stopped this whole charade but it also wasn’t the first time this stuff has happened, it’s been going on since 11/9/2001 (September 11th 2001) with many people being discriminated for being Muslim and/or for religious clothing. But even through it all we can still both easily agree it was super fucked. People needed help and usa was obligated to assist like all other able bodied countries and fail time and time again, calling themselves a nation of immigrants is a joke.

And to your PS: we were born in USA, the system failed us severely. We’ve been discriminated and harassed several time’s by strangers even religious groups for being either disabled or trans. We left USA right before Trump took office literally spending our entire life savings to get here in the EU and holy shit we’ve never felt safer than before. It’s night and day on how much usa has failed. Donald Trump is just everything the USA political powers and 1% was to afraid to say and now what? USA didn’t magically get shit When Trump got into office in 2016 it was already trash. It didn’t get saved when Biden got in it was still held in place in a stand still, and 2024 it definitely got worse since the dirty douche figured out how to fuck everyone over and get paid doing so. Anyone who says USA was great before Trump is privileged.

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[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

I'll start with Alvin Jackson, Emmanuel Jean Joseph, and Xavier Veal. That case did, in fact, involve racial discrimination by the airline, and it was ultimately settled out of court. Those three men were initially removed from the plane over alleged offensive body odor, but after the situation was reviewed by airline personnel, they were allowed back on board. They were not screaming, yelling, or causing a disturbance. So while that case is real, it has nothing to do with the situation you're describing. More importantly, the people who were removed complied with the crew's instructions. It doesn't lend much support to your argument.

The woman in this case, Whitney Lynn, was banned from flying on all airlines owned by that airline group, which I believe includes three or four carriers. She also wasn't forcibly removed because she complied with the order to leave the aircraft. She may have been loud and belligerent, but she did not physically resist.

As for the executive order, it was not legally considered a blanket ban on Muslims. You're applying that label based on your own interpretation rather than how it was ultimately treated in law.

You're falling into the trap of steering the conversation toward a conclusion you already want to reach, in this case, condemning the Trump administration and portraying the United States as uniquely terrible. That's not what we're discussing here. Racial profiling exists. Not just in the United States, but virtually everywhere. Racist incidents happen in every country. Some receive extensive media coverage; many do not.

I'm well aware of my country's shortcomings. However, the claim that people are generally afraid to walk the streets for their own safety is simply not an accurate description of everyday life in the United States. If believing that helps reinforce your view of America, that's your prerogative. But it doesn't make it true.

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