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[–] cmhe@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

Imagine if you went to work at a bank in IT for example. They issue you a laptop.

Who is the owner of that device? The Bank.

Who is the owner of that network? The Bank.

So they are the arbiter of trust in that area. They are free to exclude non-bank-owned devices.

I work in IT, and I'm fine with getting a company laptop for company work. I don't trust that laptop. I isolate it when I work at home. But the company trusts it, and that is fine.

[–] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, and you seem to have missed the point.

They won’t trust your device no matter how secure you say it is. That’s my point. Just because you say a device is secure doesn’t mean it’s secure, and it doesn’t mean it gets treated as if it’s secure.

[–] cmhe@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

You seem to be missing my point. You are arguing against a point I did not make.

I'm not the owner of that laptop, I would just be a user. So with my argument I wouldn't have a right install my own keys on it. I don't need to trust that device. It isn't mine. It is the one of my employer in that case the bank.

So I never said that the bank should trust my personal laptop with their data.

However, if I am a customer of that bank, and they give me access to my account data from my private laptop or smartphone. Then they have no right to enforce someone else to put their root of trust on my device. I need to be able to trust my device to protect my data, so the root of trust needs to come from me. If I don't want to manage my device or if I don't trust myself to do so, I should be able to transfer my trust temporarily to some other third party, and pay them to do it for me.