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They don't even understand their job (cdn.blahaj.zone)
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[–] 28 points 2 months ago (14 children)

Why is it so hard for these idiots to grasp that the process of actually making something yourself IS THE FULFILLING PART.

It's not the end result that is where the fulfillment comes in when I'm programming something or writing something; it's the knowledge that I MADE IT and as a result I have now accomplished something. If you tell an LLM what to do and they do it, you haven't accomplished anything. You haven't earned it and you have no right to be proud of it.

Hell, if an LLM came about that could mow my damn lawn so that I could spend more time writing and programming and 3D modelling and video editing, etc... than hot damn...THAT would be something I would pay for.

At what point did the adage "It's not the destination, it's the journey" cease being meaningful to these morons?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago* (4 children)

    I'm not sure it's so black and white, LLMs (even frontier ones) are total spaghetti merchants if you let them anywhere near the architecture but I get zero fulfillment from manually solving merge conflicts, setting up someone's fragile idea of a config, or other tedious stuff like that.

    I do dislike how many people seem to want the profession to change into being the meatshield between Claude and prod though.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I get zero fulfillment from manually solving merge conflicts, setting up someone’s fragile idea of a config, or other tedious stuff like that

    For sure. And it's tedious crap like that where A.I can have a limited scope of usefullness. I WANT A.I. to handle all the boring shit so that I can get on with doing the creative side of programming. But CEO's want it exactly the other way around. Rather than A.I. being your assistant, you become its assistant, it's proof reader.

    I will happily plug a snippet of code into an AI if it's not working and I need a second set of eyes on it to see where I missed a goddamned colon. But that's as far as it ever should go. I don't want it writing code for me, but it can make a pretty good proof-reader so that I can solve an issue and get on with writing faster.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago*

    Hey, some sane "anti-AI" stuff on the internet!

    I use the example of a carpenter

    I go to work and I build chairs. It takes me all day to build one chair. I carry shit, I cut shit, I sand shit, I paint shit, I hammer and nail shit, etc... at the end of the day I'm hot, I'm dirty, I'm tired, and somewhere along the way I hurt myself a little bit so I got some minor scrapes and bruises

    But I sit back, look at my chair, and I'm proud. That's what I do. I make chairs.

    It's not glamourous, but that is what I do. I am a carpenter. Not just by profession, but by choice. This is what I wanted to do. It's what I became. I'm a father, and I'm a soccer fan, but also, I'm a carpenter

    Then along comes a robot that can build a chair all by itself. This is great! Just because the robot can build a chair all by itself doesn't mean it has to. What it does mean is that it can help me build a chair. If I need help carrying the wood, it can carry the wood. If I don't want to sand, I can tell it to sand. It's not a "wood carrying robot" or a "sanding robot", it's a "Chair building robot" and now I can ask it to help me with any step along the way

    But then my boss finds out about this chair building robot. Suddenly he doesn't want me to build the chair at all anymore, he just wants me to tell the robot to do it

    This is sad. I'm no longer a carpenter. I've lost the meaning in my job.

    I go to work, I tell a robot to build a chair, I just sit back and correct any mistakes it makes.

    But hey, if the robot can build a chair in 30 minutes, and I'm only responsible for one chair a day, I guess the good news is that I get to keep my job, I make the same amount of money, but now I only have to work for about an hour a day. Clock in, tell the robot to build a chair, watch it for 30 minutes, fix it's mistakes, clock out. Same money for an hours worth of work

    Nope

    I'm now responsible for 9 chairs a day

    9 chairs! We'll I'll get 9 times the pay right?

    Nope

    So I keep my job, I make the same amount of money, I work the same amount of hours, but also my job gives me zero satisfaction in life and now I'm responsible for 9 times the amount of work. Also, I'm no longer a carpenter

    Again, that's what I wanted to be. I went to school for it. When I was younger and they asked, "what do you want to be when you grow up", I said, "a carpenter". I was a carpenter. I was happy. My boss took that from me. He didn't fire me, he just took away the position of "carpenter".

    How is this a good thing?

    OK, well, I'm an optimist. Times change I guess, you can't be a guy that makes cannon balls forever. Lets see what the future hold. I go to work, I tell the robot to build the chair and now I got nothing to do for 30 minutes. Neither do my coworkers. So we bring in some TVs, we set up some chairs, we play Mario Kart and watch soccer matches while the robot builds the chair. Every 30 minutes I have to get up, inspect a chair, and tell the robot to build it again, and then it's back to Mario Kart

    At least my job is much more enjoyable in that sense I guess. I laugh at a lot more at work

    Then my boss comes in and sees us all standing around laughing, playing video games, and watching TV. He's sees us happy

    He's big mad

    But why? We're each producing 9 times the amount of chairs in the same amount of time for the same amount of money using the robot he wanted us to use. How is he not happy about that? He's getting more chairs in the same amount of time without having to pay anyone any extra money.

    He's big mad

    The next day I come to work and there's a big console with 200 buttons on it. Each button tells one of 200 robots to build a chair. It takes me 30 minutes to push all 200 buttons. By the time I've pushed the last button, it's time to push the first button again

    Now I go to work, I work the same hours, I make the same pay, I make 3,200 chairs a day, I have zero job satisfaction, I have zero fun, I'm not a carpenter

    Then my boss has the nerve to get on Social Media and post: "Chair building robots are great. Imagine life without them, how awful!"

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    AI is a great tool for doing all the boring shit you don't want to do. It's great for automated process, basic code reviews, pipeline management, etc... I'm glad it can help me write a complex query or figure out what the hell this error message means and what in my code might be causing it.

    I'm glad it can help me do new things... I don't want to be a game developer but making a game sounds fun. It's a different kind of challenge and it's nice Claude Code can step in and basically hand-hold me through my controllers and such. It's a great teacher

    What I don't want is to be forced to use it to do my entire job... I don't want to product code by only prompting claude

    I like writing code. I like knowing the code I pushed is beautiful. Clean, well organized, good folder structures, etc... I like people opening up my projects and going, "damn, this is nice".

    I do not like that people assume Claude did it

    I don't hate AI, but we need to get past this initial phase of upper management not knowing how to properly use it and thinking it's a magic tool that can do everything for us, instead of a fantastic assistant that we should use at our own descension

    That being said, AI is not going away. It's not just a dumb toy for making bad music and shitty TikTok reels. It's incredibly helpful and it's here to stay. In that sense, Anti-AI shit is as embarrassing as this over-the-top pro AI shit.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah it's like that recent adage isn't it: I want AI to automate all my drudgery so I can spend more time being creative, but Silicon Valley is automating all my creativity so I can spend more time doing drudgery.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I've been saying for a while that having AI make art for you is basically the same as a commission. When you commission a painting, you describe what you want, someone else paints it for you and gives it to you for money. Same sort of thing here, except shittier because no artist gets paid. But the same end result - you might own the end result, but you didn't create it.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    100% I believe the exact same thing. If a person commisions a painting, but the painter is a computer, it doesn't transfer the title of "artist" onto the person who commisioned the painting.

    They want credit for their "creative work" when really all they are is a middle manager with no actual employees.

    How long do those middle-management chucklefucks think it'll be before CEO's realize that they can just ask the computer themselves?

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  • [+] -6 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Philosophy doesn't help meet deadlines.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Than it's the deadlines that need to change. I'll happily die on that hill.

    Quality over Quantity will always win the race in the long run. Ever tightening deadlines is responsible for the enshittification of everything.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    On one hand I agree, on the other hand try making that argument to management at the majority of software firms and see where it gets you. There's little commercial incentive for 'artisinal code' outside of niche sectors in my view, and commercial incentives overrule all else at the end of the day. I don't think this is morally right but this is the wider problem of which overreliance on AI is merely one expression I think

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    I don’t think this is morally right but this is the wider problem of which overreliance on AI is merely one expression I think

    Oh absolutely. Corporations shoving AI down our throats is a symptom of a much wider problem for sure. It's just the latest tool in the age old mantra that states that "In order to increase profit, you can either make more or spend less."

    Somewhere in around the 80's, corporations realized that labour was their largest expense, and from that point on, employees became just another line item on a spreadsheet. Something to be managed and minimized as much as possible. They try to squeeze that labour metric down as much as possible to achieve more profit without having to increase revenue at the same time, thereby making the stock price rise.

    Humans stopped being an equation in business a long long time ago.

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