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Teen Boys Are Using Meta Glasses to Harass and Bully Girls at High Schools and Middle Schools (futurism.com)
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[–] 47 points 1 month ago (30 children)

A reminder to everyone blaming parents: these children are growing up in a world where privacy doesn't exist, so how could they value it? Corporations are targeting them and influencing their opinions and changing norms with resources a parent couldn't even dream of. Blaming parents is an individualistic solution to a systemic problem. We're not going to suddenly get better parents anyway, sorry.

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  • [–] 39 points 1 month ago (13 children)

    I mean, most of your early value comes from your parents (or closest adult influence), and presumably the parents needed to buy the very expensive device.

    So yeah they can be blamed.

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  • [+] -8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (12 children)

    Again, we aren't going to suddenly become good parents as a species even if you're correct. And blaming the parents gets us where? We have to change all the inadequate parents? Yeah right. Blame doesn't get you anything but the ability to do nothing and feel superior about it.

    Edit: Everybody that's saying it's the individual and not the system: same with cops? We can just tell them to be better and expect results?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (9 children)

    Refusing to blame the people responsible means you can't take steps to correcting the behavior. You need the culprit identified first.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    Refusing to blame the people systems responsible means you can't take steps to correcting that system. You need the incentives identified first.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (6 children)

    How about both? They’re not mutually exclusive. You can acknowledge that there are systems in plays incentivizing the behavior while also holding the people who do the behavior accountable.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (5 children)

    Even if they're not mutually exclusive, the lion's share is systemic. For parents that can mean access to healthcare, financial security, access to childcare, access to a good school, and a slew of other things. If people were able to change their finances reliably, there would be no poor people, etc etc.. What's the point of holding someone "accountable" when that maybe changes one or two parents. Even given a 100% reform rate (since I assume you want correction as opposed to punishment) you have to a) wait for deviance to occur b) catch the deviance c) take corrective action with both the parent and the child. Even if we assume only 1% of parents raise children that behave badly, there are two billion children in the world. If I were going to allocate resources to hold people accountable or to provide some sort of actual assistance to parents, 100% is going to the latter. So it's not that it's one or the other, it's that one is useful and one is not.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (4 children)

    When it comes to Meta glasses specifically if you have the means to buy them you likely have all the things you mentioned by virtue of being able to buy Meta glasses. Again, they should be made illegal and society needs to have some serious discussions about privacy on the internet. But I can also think that if you buy your kids these glasses, especially if you’re aware your kid has bullied/harassed others in the past, you should be held accountable. Shame and publicity work for a reason. If more parents are judged publicly for their poor parenting choices and purchases, they are less likely to buy said things. Again, both.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)

    You think the rich parents that will give their children these glasses are capable of shame? I don't. Some will even be proud of it (see pandemic behavior, cybertruck owners, etc).

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    Depends on who’s doing the shaming. Some of them are really touchy about their image, especially when it’s people they actually know or they think are on a similar “level” or is an authority figure in their eyes. Considering social media can be very important to some of these people( and can act as an equalizer in terms of the public rallying around a topic against those in power), spreading awareness and making it very unpopular to own or wear these things will likely affect at least some of them. It also will address the systemic part by making the working class aware and thus making the politicians aware that the working class is aware. If politicians realize that supporting surveillance tech like this will cost them voters and power they may be willing to do something about it.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    After seeing how poorly people behaved during the pandemic, I just can't believe that shaming is a useful tool. Antivaxxers were proud they were putting others at risk. That was not a small number of people. I knew individuals that could not even be shamed by those closest to them. I do not believe in shame as a tool for social change and the vague points you make about it do not fit with my actual experience. Not for individuals and sure as hell not for corporations or politicians.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    I think it depends on the person and the situation. I was more thinking about canceling. While I don’t think harassing people or sending them death threats is a good thing, canceling is essentially shaming. It can severely affect certain powerful or popular people’s ability to grow and maintain an audience. Granted, there’s plenty of problems with it, not every person who is canceled deserves to be, and it may endear some people to the one being canceled, but it can limit someone’s ability to spread harmful ideas to new people. Again, I don’t think we should harass people. But I don’t think holding people accountable for their actions never works. Hence my point about doing both.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Blaming parents is an individualistic solution to a systemic problem

    A system made up of individual people....

    No one EVER wants to take personal responsibility. God forbid a parent actually parent and not just hand their child's mind over to the state.

    Timmy - Can I have meta glasses / mindrape myself with brainrot?

    Parent - No.

    Problem solved over night.

    Shifting all of the onus onto the "mysterious system" is exactly what causes these issues in the first place. Its a cop out 100%. "Well I know I didnt even try but but but the system."

    Change happens when individuals nut up and take things into their own hands.

    The parents are shitty parents and will continue to be so as long as people keep hand-waving any and all responsibility.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    If you expect people to be better than they are, you're going to be as disappointed in people as I am with your counterpoint.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    Like, I agree with you, except that

    Change happens when individuals nut up and take things into their own hands.

    Could mean people get new legislation passed or something. Otherwise, we're basically just telling people to choose not to be addicted to heroin.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago* (5 children)

    Yet “it takes a school to raise’m”‽
    It is the parents job to educate children the value of privacy, and how to maintain it.
    Corporations, thus capitalism, exist because the parents have allowed them to invade their privacies too. Corporations wouldn't exist if the demand for violating privacy existed: the parents are harassers too.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    It's people's own fault for being surveilled? For being stalked with flock cameras, for example? Just withdraw your consent and everything's ok and capitalism collapses? If I'm incorrect in my interpretation of your words, please clarify, but in its current form I'm not challenged by it.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    It is precisely the fact people are not challenging surveillance, flock cameras, capitalism, and violators of consent that harassment like this is institutionalized. Violations don't occur overnight. It predates slowly, hunts, and makes itself systemic. Trump & MAGA are a symptom of systemic predation.

    Now tell neighbors if they are ok being quartered by a predator. Because essentially, has been a predation paradise since forever.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago*

    Yet “it takes a school to raise’m”‽

    Yes... because it's the parent's job to make capitalist parasites richer, not raise children. That's the whole reason we park our kids in the glorified creches called "schools" in the first place.

    You can't expect parents to teach their kids anything the parents never understood (or had the energy to understand) in the first place.

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