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[–] 20cello@lemmy.world 36 points 1 month ago (15 children) It's not for nothing,it's to fund Israel and his genocide permalink fedilink source hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] Almacca@aussie.zone 24 points 1 month ago (9 children) Also, Israel has universal healthcare. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 9 points 1 month ago (3 children) Never thought about this. They really do fund a whole country that has way higher living standards (unless you're "an Arab" of course) than their own. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 month ago (2 children) What's even worse is that the Israeli economy depends on Palestinian labor. Palestinians have practically none of the rights of Israelis, and are subject to genocide and settler-colonial terror, yet Palestinians do a large portion of underpaid labor propping up the Israeli economy. Palestinians are dehumanized, treated as tools to be used and discarded, and this is perfectly natural to Zionists because the conditions of settler-colonialism reinforce this view and create it. This is why a one-state solution is necessary, and Palestine must be free. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NotEasyBeingGreen@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 month ago (1 child) There's a reason for the animosity of South Africa to Israel. They recognize an apartheid state and don't like it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago Bingo! Same with other anti-colonial and anti-imperialist countries. Cuba, the DPRK, Ireland, Algeria, Nicaragua, Yemen, China, and more are some of the most supportive countries in the world for Palestine. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 month ago (4 children) And free higher education from what I'm told. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago (3 children) I’m not sure Israeli education is worth even zero dollars, given the kind of monsters it’s churning out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Jewish people tend to have disproportionate numbers of Nobel Prize winners. Not sure how many of those are from Israel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 weeks ago The same institution that gave Obama a peace prize for his participation in the genocide? permalink fedilink source parent [–] AA5B@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago When they’re not committing genocide they have a pretty good software and software security industry for a small country permalink fedilink source parent [–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 12 points 1 month ago (3 children) Given the size of the US economy that is peanuts. Bill Clinton managed to pay for Israel and have a balanced budget. The real truth is that the US has cut taxes for the rich. That meant less income and still old levels of spending, hence more debt. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) The problem is it’s no longer peanuts. The debt is larger than gdp and the debt payments are the largest government budget item. We’re already in a crisis of not being able to afford anything and the debt is large enough to crowd that out. For sure, tax cuts for the wealthy are a huge part of it, but so has the recent destruction of our economy and trade, random use of the military. FYI - I believe Bill Clinton mostly grew his way out of debt. Hold things steady while growing the economy (so debt is lower percentage), bringing in more tax income, and lowering interest rates. We’re doing the opposite of all three permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 month ago I am not talking about the debt of the US, but what the US pays Israel being peanuts compared to the kind of money the US government has. permalink fedilink source parent [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 month ago He did it partially by cutting Americans benefits. We could be so much better if we actually taxed the wealthy, stopped funding Israel and invested in the country. Sadly we have too many people who believe they would be effected by those tax increases because the country is extremely anti education precisely to keep them that way permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago Kinda. Funding the Zionist entity is a part of a grander strategy maintaining US global hegemony, via IP monopoly, control of the dollar, and dominance of the IMF and NATO. All of these institutions work together to allow the US to siphon an enormous amount of global wealth production into a handful of billionaire pockets. Supporting genocide isn't the end itself, but a consequence of the means for that grander end of billionaire profit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 24 points 1 month ago (9 children) Also, Israel has universal healthcare. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 9 points 1 month ago (3 children) Never thought about this. They really do fund a whole country that has way higher living standards (unless you're "an Arab" of course) than their own. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 month ago (2 children) What's even worse is that the Israeli economy depends on Palestinian labor. Palestinians have practically none of the rights of Israelis, and are subject to genocide and settler-colonial terror, yet Palestinians do a large portion of underpaid labor propping up the Israeli economy. Palestinians are dehumanized, treated as tools to be used and discarded, and this is perfectly natural to Zionists because the conditions of settler-colonialism reinforce this view and create it. This is why a one-state solution is necessary, and Palestine must be free. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NotEasyBeingGreen@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 month ago (1 child) There's a reason for the animosity of South Africa to Israel. They recognize an apartheid state and don't like it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago Bingo! Same with other anti-colonial and anti-imperialist countries. Cuba, the DPRK, Ireland, Algeria, Nicaragua, Yemen, China, and more are some of the most supportive countries in the world for Palestine. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 month ago (4 children) And free higher education from what I'm told. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago (3 children) I’m not sure Israeli education is worth even zero dollars, given the kind of monsters it’s churning out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Jewish people tend to have disproportionate numbers of Nobel Prize winners. Not sure how many of those are from Israel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 weeks ago The same institution that gave Obama a peace prize for his participation in the genocide? permalink fedilink source parent [–] AA5B@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago When they’re not committing genocide they have a pretty good software and software security industry for a small country permalink fedilink source parent
[–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 9 points 1 month ago (3 children) Never thought about this. They really do fund a whole country that has way higher living standards (unless you're "an Arab" of course) than their own. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 month ago (2 children) What's even worse is that the Israeli economy depends on Palestinian labor. Palestinians have practically none of the rights of Israelis, and are subject to genocide and settler-colonial terror, yet Palestinians do a large portion of underpaid labor propping up the Israeli economy. Palestinians are dehumanized, treated as tools to be used and discarded, and this is perfectly natural to Zionists because the conditions of settler-colonialism reinforce this view and create it. This is why a one-state solution is necessary, and Palestine must be free. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NotEasyBeingGreen@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 month ago (1 child) There's a reason for the animosity of South Africa to Israel. They recognize an apartheid state and don't like it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago Bingo! Same with other anti-colonial and anti-imperialist countries. Cuba, the DPRK, Ireland, Algeria, Nicaragua, Yemen, China, and more are some of the most supportive countries in the world for Palestine. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 month ago (2 children) What's even worse is that the Israeli economy depends on Palestinian labor. Palestinians have practically none of the rights of Israelis, and are subject to genocide and settler-colonial terror, yet Palestinians do a large portion of underpaid labor propping up the Israeli economy. Palestinians are dehumanized, treated as tools to be used and discarded, and this is perfectly natural to Zionists because the conditions of settler-colonialism reinforce this view and create it. This is why a one-state solution is necessary, and Palestine must be free. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NotEasyBeingGreen@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 month ago (1 child) There's a reason for the animosity of South Africa to Israel. They recognize an apartheid state and don't like it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago Bingo! Same with other anti-colonial and anti-imperialist countries. Cuba, the DPRK, Ireland, Algeria, Nicaragua, Yemen, China, and more are some of the most supportive countries in the world for Palestine. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NotEasyBeingGreen@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 month ago (1 child) There's a reason for the animosity of South Africa to Israel. They recognize an apartheid state and don't like it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago Bingo! Same with other anti-colonial and anti-imperialist countries. Cuba, the DPRK, Ireland, Algeria, Nicaragua, Yemen, China, and more are some of the most supportive countries in the world for Palestine. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago Bingo! Same with other anti-colonial and anti-imperialist countries. Cuba, the DPRK, Ireland, Algeria, Nicaragua, Yemen, China, and more are some of the most supportive countries in the world for Palestine. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 month ago (4 children) And free higher education from what I'm told. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago (3 children) I’m not sure Israeli education is worth even zero dollars, given the kind of monsters it’s churning out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Jewish people tend to have disproportionate numbers of Nobel Prize winners. Not sure how many of those are from Israel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 weeks ago The same institution that gave Obama a peace prize for his participation in the genocide? permalink fedilink source parent [–] AA5B@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago When they’re not committing genocide they have a pretty good software and software security industry for a small country permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago (3 children) I’m not sure Israeli education is worth even zero dollars, given the kind of monsters it’s churning out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Jewish people tend to have disproportionate numbers of Nobel Prize winners. Not sure how many of those are from Israel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 weeks ago The same institution that gave Obama a peace prize for his participation in the genocide? permalink fedilink source parent [–] AA5B@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago When they’re not committing genocide they have a pretty good software and software security industry for a small country permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Jewish people tend to have disproportionate numbers of Nobel Prize winners. Not sure how many of those are from Israel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 weeks ago The same institution that gave Obama a peace prize for his participation in the genocide? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 weeks ago The same institution that gave Obama a peace prize for his participation in the genocide? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago When they’re not committing genocide they have a pretty good software and software security industry for a small country permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 12 points 1 month ago (3 children) Given the size of the US economy that is peanuts. Bill Clinton managed to pay for Israel and have a balanced budget. The real truth is that the US has cut taxes for the rich. That meant less income and still old levels of spending, hence more debt. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) The problem is it’s no longer peanuts. The debt is larger than gdp and the debt payments are the largest government budget item. We’re already in a crisis of not being able to afford anything and the debt is large enough to crowd that out. For sure, tax cuts for the wealthy are a huge part of it, but so has the recent destruction of our economy and trade, random use of the military. FYI - I believe Bill Clinton mostly grew his way out of debt. Hold things steady while growing the economy (so debt is lower percentage), bringing in more tax income, and lowering interest rates. We’re doing the opposite of all three permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 month ago I am not talking about the debt of the US, but what the US pays Israel being peanuts compared to the kind of money the US government has. permalink fedilink source parent [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 month ago He did it partially by cutting Americans benefits. We could be so much better if we actually taxed the wealthy, stopped funding Israel and invested in the country. Sadly we have too many people who believe they would be effected by those tax increases because the country is extremely anti education precisely to keep them that way permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) The problem is it’s no longer peanuts. The debt is larger than gdp and the debt payments are the largest government budget item. We’re already in a crisis of not being able to afford anything and the debt is large enough to crowd that out. For sure, tax cuts for the wealthy are a huge part of it, but so has the recent destruction of our economy and trade, random use of the military. FYI - I believe Bill Clinton mostly grew his way out of debt. Hold things steady while growing the economy (so debt is lower percentage), bringing in more tax income, and lowering interest rates. We’re doing the opposite of all three permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 month ago I am not talking about the debt of the US, but what the US pays Israel being peanuts compared to the kind of money the US government has. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 month ago I am not talking about the debt of the US, but what the US pays Israel being peanuts compared to the kind of money the US government has. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 month ago He did it partially by cutting Americans benefits. We could be so much better if we actually taxed the wealthy, stopped funding Israel and invested in the country. Sadly we have too many people who believe they would be effected by those tax increases because the country is extremely anti education precisely to keep them that way permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago Kinda. Funding the Zionist entity is a part of a grander strategy maintaining US global hegemony, via IP monopoly, control of the dollar, and dominance of the IMF and NATO. All of these institutions work together to allow the US to siphon an enormous amount of global wealth production into a handful of billionaire pockets. Supporting genocide isn't the end itself, but a consequence of the means for that grander end of billionaire profit. permalink fedilink source parent