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Finland to criminalise Holocaust denial (yle.fi)
submitted 6 days ago by Merlu@lemmy.ml to c/upliftingnews@lemmy.world
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Let's say better late than never.

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[–] Taalnazi@lemmy.world 71 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

Good, but add Armenian and Gaza genocide denial to the list too. Or make it genocide denial in general.

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 16 points 6 days ago

According to the bill, denial of the Holocaust or other serious international crimes, such as those defined under the statutes of the International Criminal Court, would be punishable by a fine or a prison sentence of up to two years.

[–] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Armenian and Gaza is fully confirmed, but human rights violations of Xinjiang not so much, it's semantics at that much, like calling the modern Turkish state genocidal for destroying the culture of Kurds in northern Syria, when it was not explicitly to destroy the people itself

[–] throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 29 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Its forced assimulation just like what the US did to the natives of America. If what the US did was genocide (it is), then what PRC is doing to Xinjiang and Tibet is also genocide.

[–] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 13 points 6 days ago

Fair enough, but the term genocide is far too inclusive, I've heard people use cultural genocide instead.

[–] HighFructoseLowStand@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'd swear that there is a message group specifically for .ml users to jump in whenever any criticism is leveled at China.

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world -4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

You can swallow this Sinophobic garbage if you like

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Criticism of China? Sinophobia.

Criticism of Israel? Antisemitism.

Where does it end, Yurophobia next?

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world -3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

When did China relentlessly bomb a population and starved them to death?

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 5 days ago

What is this even in relation to?

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

why do you think this is a useful thing to say

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world -2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I return the question?

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 days ago

I thought I might gain a deep forbidden insight and transcend this earthly plane.

[–] LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

No, "cultural genocide" is not genocide. There is a pretty clear legal definition:

.. any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

[–] Taalnazi@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago

Culture is a part of ethnicity, however.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

It's pretty hilarious how tankies suddenly start quibbling over definitions once China is mentioned.

Where's that definition from?

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

Raphael Lemkin, who first coined the term, defined genocide as "the destruction of a nation or of an ethnic group" by means such as "the disintegration of [its] political and social institutions, of [its] culture, language, national feelings, religion, and [its] economic existence".[2]During the struggle to ratify the Genocide Convention, powerful countries restricted Lemkin's definition to exclude their own actions from being classified as genocide,[3][4] ultimately limiting it to any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group".[5] While there are many scholarly definitions of genocide,[6]almost all international bodies of law officially adjudicate the crime of genocide pursuant to the Genocide Convention.[7]

From that wiki page, and I appreciate the just barely academically masked sass about why it’s such a narrow definition

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world -1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

sure toootally the same

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Well one is way more recent

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

please tell me when the Chinese carpet bombed a population and let them starve to death?

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 5 days ago

My guy, what does this have to do with my comment

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml -5 points 6 days ago

The difference is that the US did actual genocide against the natives of America