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Funny or just sad? (europe.pub)
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This comic is kinda old already, but still stays relevant.

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[–] 15 points 2 weeks ago* (13 children)

Ukraine is far from a US vassal state, they also have Europe on their side and have developed domestic military power beyond anyone's imagination in 2022. They haven't been listening to Trump at all

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago* (11 children)

    Ahh yes, Europe, famously not just an extension of US foreign policy. Its not like the US has spent decades shaping politics in Europe through things like Operation Gladio. Its not as if most of the European nations house American military bases or support the US in all its insane foreign involvements. Its not as if Europe is just spitting billions to Israel. Yeah Europe is totally a separate entity from the US, and with the destruction of Nord Stream 2 its not like the Europeans are reliant on US LNG. Or, you know, the slow devolution of German industry certainty doesn't envelop Europe under the American curtain even more.
    You're naive if you dont consider the majority of European countries to be little more than US proxies.

    Charles de Gaulle was right about the atlanticists.

    And Ukraine has been a US playground since 2014, do you not read up on foreign policy before discussing it? Both Trump and Viden have had massive corruption scandals tied to Ukraine. The Ukrainian post-coup government was hand-picked by the US, there's even leaked conversations of the picking being done.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    You missed the part where the Viden one was all projection and made up.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago

    As far as I can tell Hunter Biden did have some do-nothing job in the Ukrainian energy sector. Whether or not the specifics of the case were enough for the courts to act doesn't really matter all that much to me. These two cases are also just handy examples to use when one wishes to point out that Ukraine, after 2014, was the US's playground.

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  • [+] -6 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

    The Ukrainian post-coup government was hand-picked by the US, there's even leaked conversations of the picking being done.

    Right wing national groups, famously large ultras were just way better organised than any other group in Ukraine.

    That's the very short conclusion, for why the initial cabinet was full on nationalists.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    Sure. That, and the fact that the cabinet was hand-picked by the US, as was shown through leaked phone calls.

    Besides that another question one might ask is "Why were the right wing militias so much better supplied and organised?"

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  • [+] -9 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    Because sports fans are psychos is the very short answer. The former president didn't feel the need to suppress Ultra organisations, as he saw them as weekend warriors fighting one another.

    It's quite common world wide that football ultras are among the best organised groups in their local arena. Same shit happened in Brazil, for the protests that ended up getting Jair elected - Despite the majority of demonstrators on the street being fairly left wing. The Ultras were organised cells, that managed to capture the movement and give Jair the much needed push to be a true contender

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Jair Bolsonaro? The other guy who got installed with the backing of the US? You dont ever stop to consider that maybe there's more going on than just "people being psychos"? You dont ever stop to wonder why these movements happen to have the resources, skills and manpower necessary to organise and mobilise right on cue to install some stooge picked out by the US state dept? You really just contend yourself with "because people are crazy"?

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  • [–] -3 points 2 weeks ago

    They're organised because they'll lose to the other Ultras in their "football related activities". That's why they're organised.

    Pretty common to have some degree of ties to whichever groups distributes drugs and well... One or several martial arts clubs, as they practice unsanctioned fights for fun

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