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[–] 52 points 2 weeks ago (27 children)

This is another good example of saying “Fuck (country name)” they’re usually talking about the government of that country, and not necessarily the citizens. For example, Russia can fuck right off, but I’d expect that most Russian citizens are decent people who are merely drowning in propaganda. Lots of people are, all around the world.

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  • [–] 29 points 2 weeks ago (14 children)

    Yes even US Americans are probably just decent people generally. I know it's hard to imagine with some of these countries but we shouldn't forget people aren't their governments.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 weeks ago (12 children)

    To be fair, at least 1/3 of us are the deplorables who got us here.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

    And even they are mostly decent people, just misguided by propaganda/misinformation.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    I don’t think anyone not living in America understands how deeply propaganda is pushed here across media and culture. The ruling class has distorted everything so much it’s hard to have a coherent conversation with most people on real issues. The misinformation and capital class talking points are intensely deep seated.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    I think it's pretty obvious for us here outside the US too. It is like bad body odour, it is harder to notice when you're inside it and used to it.

    Not that we are not used to our stench for that matter.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    No. I've had several people admit to me that the hatred is the point.

    Anyine who still supports this regime is supporting them because of the hatred.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Most people aren't born hateful. They're taught it, and you can unteach it too.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago

    I judge people based on their choices and actions.

    Some have chosen to embrace the hatred. And so I judge them for it.

    At this point in my life, I'm not interested in attempting to redeem people who have chosen evil.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child)

    Dont do that. We all make choices and we are all responsible for our actions. Actions and choices have consequences when those choices harm others. Its the foundation of human society.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago*

    If you hold everyone 100% responsible for their actions, including supporting or condoning governments that mess up this world, contributing to global warming, consumption under capitalism, choices they did not foresee the outcome off, mistakes, etc., then there are no decent people in this world at all.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

    I take that approach for almost countries, but I have a hard time with Israel because their polls continue to show 80%+ support for the genocide. That’s a huge portion of the population to be irredeemable.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 weeks ago

    Tbh, Israelis as a whole invite a lot of hate upon themselves by wholeheartedly supporting outright genocide. Public polling there shows a disturbingly large number of even young, secular Israelis advocate for killing everyone in Gaza, including women and children:

    https://zeteo.com/p/its-not-just-netanyahu-a-lot-of-israelis

    https://theconversation.com/in-israel-calls-for-genocide-have-migrated-from-the-margins-to-the-mainstream-250010

    That doesn't mean every Israeli or every Jewish person is culpable or suspect, ofc. But I think it's even more justifiable to distrust the country as a whole as it is to distrust the US electorate after re-electing Trump. Netanyahu is corrupt and bloodthirsty, but his policies still enjoy broad support from voters there.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    82% of Israelis support the ethnic cleansing of All Palestinians, which is a textbook crime against humanity.

    56% support removing every arab/Palestinian CITIZEN of Israel from israel permanently, and revoking their Israeli citizenship based on their race.

    47% agreed with the idea of killing every single Palestinian like the biblical wars in their book.

    https://www.genocidewatch.com/single-post/poll-show-most-jewish-israelis-support-expelling-gazans

    So theres no need to bend over backward to protect the Israeli public. No one assigned these views to them, this is what the vast majority of them choose to believe. many people on this thread try so hard to separate them from their government and assign all the crimes to the government. Except for a tiny majority, this murder and ethnic cleansing is exactly what they say they want and what they support. The problem is not just their governments, its the vast majority of the people too.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 weeks ago

    I fully mean fuck the state and the people of Israel. May their country be destroyed and the lands returned to the Palestinians. Israelis can go flee to the US or something for all I care.

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