▲ 298 ▼ MapQuest knew its ‘Lake America’ stance would make it an outlier. The move paid off. (www.ctvnews.ca) submitted 1 week ago by Sunshine@lemmy.ca to c/boycottus@lemmy.ca 59 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca [S] 9 points 1 week ago (13 children) You could consider Motorola, Fairphone or Jolla. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago (12 children) Aside from Motorolla being an American company, it's still running Android (at best you wait until next year and their flagships will run Graphene which is still Android) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] adarza@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago (9 children) motorola mobility is a wholly-owned subsidiary of lenovo, and has been for a dozen years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] MrNobody@quokk.au 3 points 1 week ago (7 children) So it’s Chinese? Is there a phone made by a not shit authoritarian country? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] WolvenSpectre@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago (4 children) Samsung is partially made in South Korea for some models, but during the Globalization push and Apple made most of the parts and skilled labour in China the vast majority of phones or their components come from there. Apple tried to make a specialty "Made in America" version of their phones for patriotic Americans and those who wanted to buy phones that weren't produced in an authoritarian country. They designed it and as per usual they went out to order the custom size screws. Manufacturer after manufacturer looked at the contract and said no. Then they finally got to one and asked them out of frustration about why he said no. To paraphrase they answered "You. When you moved your manufacturing over to China and the Chinese manufacturers started to set up custom screws their production lines had to be able to make any screw at any length. Then when they weren't selling production to you, they were selling quality screws cheaper to America, so the only way we could compete is to make dedicated production lines that crank out large amounts of products that are common and high quality or very affordable. That means machines that produce exactly one standard screw. Now if you are willing to fund additional floorspace, and custom screw machinery, and training for the operators like you did when you produced in China and are willing to wait for about 5 years to get it up to full production at American Wages, the answer is No." and they kept hearing that so they had to go to the government that they promised to make the phones to and explained that they couldn't do it without China, so they were let off. Everything that they were using that wasn't American was South Korean, and that wasn't enough. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MrNobody@quokk.au 3 points 1 week ago (3 children) America is an authoritarian country, phones made there don’t count either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] WolvenSpectre@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) Not yet but the current admiration is trying hard to get there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MrNobody@quokk.au 1 point 1 week ago* (1 child) Nah, you were before Trump and will remain after him. Your prison industrial complex is proof of the injustices and abuse of authority carried out by the state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] WolvenSpectre@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 days ago Canadian here, not American. An Authoritarian State is one where the state is fully subservient to a single person or party. Does not fit that description yet. There are branches of government that are trying to hold the Tangerine Tyrant to account and the only reason that he is getting away with it is the money in politics is keeping his opponents from being held to full account. And if you are Australian you are in a glass house throwing rocks assuming my politics. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com 3 points 1 week ago Fair phone is HQd in the Netherlands permalink fedilink source parent [–] modem_down@thebrainbin.org 2 points 1 week ago Jolla was already mentioned in this thread. There are also others. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago Well that's uplifting. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca [S] 1 point 1 week ago I wish Nokia had Graphene. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Auli@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 week ago Motorola is not an american company anymore at least the mobile part that google bought and sold. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago (12 children) Aside from Motorolla being an American company, it's still running Android (at best you wait until next year and their flagships will run Graphene which is still Android) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] adarza@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago (9 children) motorola mobility is a wholly-owned subsidiary of lenovo, and has been for a dozen years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] MrNobody@quokk.au 3 points 1 week ago (7 children) So it’s Chinese? Is there a phone made by a not shit authoritarian country? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] WolvenSpectre@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago (4 children) Samsung is partially made in South Korea for some models, but during the Globalization push and Apple made most of the parts and skilled labour in China the vast majority of phones or their components come from there. Apple tried to make a specialty "Made in America" version of their phones for patriotic Americans and those who wanted to buy phones that weren't produced in an authoritarian country. They designed it and as per usual they went out to order the custom size screws. Manufacturer after manufacturer looked at the contract and said no. Then they finally got to one and asked them out of frustration about why he said no. To paraphrase they answered "You. When you moved your manufacturing over to China and the Chinese manufacturers started to set up custom screws their production lines had to be able to make any screw at any length. Then when they weren't selling production to you, they were selling quality screws cheaper to America, so the only way we could compete is to make dedicated production lines that crank out large amounts of products that are common and high quality or very affordable. That means machines that produce exactly one standard screw. Now if you are willing to fund additional floorspace, and custom screw machinery, and training for the operators like you did when you produced in China and are willing to wait for about 5 years to get it up to full production at American Wages, the answer is No." and they kept hearing that so they had to go to the government that they promised to make the phones to and explained that they couldn't do it without China, so they were let off. Everything that they were using that wasn't American was South Korean, and that wasn't enough. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MrNobody@quokk.au 3 points 1 week ago (3 children) America is an authoritarian country, phones made there don’t count either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] WolvenSpectre@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) Not yet but the current admiration is trying hard to get there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MrNobody@quokk.au 1 point 1 week ago* (1 child) Nah, you were before Trump and will remain after him. Your prison industrial complex is proof of the injustices and abuse of authority carried out by the state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] WolvenSpectre@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 days ago Canadian here, not American. An Authoritarian State is one where the state is fully subservient to a single person or party. Does not fit that description yet. There are branches of government that are trying to hold the Tangerine Tyrant to account and the only reason that he is getting away with it is the money in politics is keeping his opponents from being held to full account. And if you are Australian you are in a glass house throwing rocks assuming my politics. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com 3 points 1 week ago Fair phone is HQd in the Netherlands permalink fedilink source parent [–] modem_down@thebrainbin.org 2 points 1 week ago Jolla was already mentioned in this thread. There are also others. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago Well that's uplifting. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca [S] 1 point 1 week ago I wish Nokia had Graphene. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Auli@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 week ago Motorola is not an american company anymore at least the mobile part that google bought and sold. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago (9 children) motorola mobility is a wholly-owned subsidiary of lenovo, and has been for a dozen years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] MrNobody@quokk.au 3 points 1 week ago (7 children) So it’s Chinese? Is there a phone made by a not shit authoritarian country? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] WolvenSpectre@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago (4 children) Samsung is partially made in South Korea for some models, but during the Globalization push and Apple made most of the parts and skilled labour in China the vast majority of phones or their components come from there. Apple tried to make a specialty "Made in America" version of their phones for patriotic Americans and those who wanted to buy phones that weren't produced in an authoritarian country. They designed it and as per usual they went out to order the custom size screws. Manufacturer after manufacturer looked at the contract and said no. Then they finally got to one and asked them out of frustration about why he said no. To paraphrase they answered "You. When you moved your manufacturing over to China and the Chinese manufacturers started to set up custom screws their production lines had to be able to make any screw at any length. Then when they weren't selling production to you, they were selling quality screws cheaper to America, so the only way we could compete is to make dedicated production lines that crank out large amounts of products that are common and high quality or very affordable. That means machines that produce exactly one standard screw. Now if you are willing to fund additional floorspace, and custom screw machinery, and training for the operators like you did when you produced in China and are willing to wait for about 5 years to get it up to full production at American Wages, the answer is No." and they kept hearing that so they had to go to the government that they promised to make the phones to and explained that they couldn't do it without China, so they were let off. Everything that they were using that wasn't American was South Korean, and that wasn't enough. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MrNobody@quokk.au 3 points 1 week ago (3 children) America is an authoritarian country, phones made there don’t count either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] WolvenSpectre@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) Not yet but the current admiration is trying hard to get there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MrNobody@quokk.au 1 point 1 week ago* (1 child) Nah, you were before Trump and will remain after him. Your prison industrial complex is proof of the injustices and abuse of authority carried out by the state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] WolvenSpectre@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 days ago Canadian here, not American. An Authoritarian State is one where the state is fully subservient to a single person or party. Does not fit that description yet. There are branches of government that are trying to hold the Tangerine Tyrant to account and the only reason that he is getting away with it is the money in politics is keeping his opponents from being held to full account. And if you are Australian you are in a glass house throwing rocks assuming my politics. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com 3 points 1 week ago Fair phone is HQd in the Netherlands permalink fedilink source parent [–] modem_down@thebrainbin.org 2 points 1 week ago Jolla was already mentioned in this thread. There are also others. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago Well that's uplifting. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MrNobody@quokk.au 3 points 1 week ago (7 children) So it’s Chinese? Is there a phone made by a not shit authoritarian country? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] WolvenSpectre@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago (4 children) Samsung is partially made in South Korea for some models, but during the Globalization push and Apple made most of the parts and skilled labour in China the vast majority of phones or their components come from there. Apple tried to make a specialty "Made in America" version of their phones for patriotic Americans and those who wanted to buy phones that weren't produced in an authoritarian country. They designed it and as per usual they went out to order the custom size screws. Manufacturer after manufacturer looked at the contract and said no. Then they finally got to one and asked them out of frustration about why he said no. To paraphrase they answered "You. When you moved your manufacturing over to China and the Chinese manufacturers started to set up custom screws their production lines had to be able to make any screw at any length. Then when they weren't selling production to you, they were selling quality screws cheaper to America, so the only way we could compete is to make dedicated production lines that crank out large amounts of products that are common and high quality or very affordable. That means machines that produce exactly one standard screw. Now if you are willing to fund additional floorspace, and custom screw machinery, and training for the operators like you did when you produced in China and are willing to wait for about 5 years to get it up to full production at American Wages, the answer is No." and they kept hearing that so they had to go to the government that they promised to make the phones to and explained that they couldn't do it without China, so they were let off. Everything that they were using that wasn't American was South Korean, and that wasn't enough. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MrNobody@quokk.au 3 points 1 week ago (3 children) America is an authoritarian country, phones made there don’t count either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] WolvenSpectre@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) Not yet but the current admiration is trying hard to get there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MrNobody@quokk.au 1 point 1 week ago* (1 child) Nah, you were before Trump and will remain after him. Your prison industrial complex is proof of the injustices and abuse of authority carried out by the state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] WolvenSpectre@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 days ago Canadian here, not American. An Authoritarian State is one where the state is fully subservient to a single person or party. Does not fit that description yet. There are branches of government that are trying to hold the Tangerine Tyrant to account and the only reason that he is getting away with it is the money in politics is keeping his opponents from being held to full account. And if you are Australian you are in a glass house throwing rocks assuming my politics. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com 3 points 1 week ago Fair phone is HQd in the Netherlands permalink fedilink source parent [–] modem_down@thebrainbin.org 2 points 1 week ago Jolla was already mentioned in this thread. There are also others. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WolvenSpectre@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago (4 children) Samsung is partially made in South Korea for some models, but during the Globalization push and Apple made most of the parts and skilled labour in China the vast majority of phones or their components come from there. Apple tried to make a specialty "Made in America" version of their phones for patriotic Americans and those who wanted to buy phones that weren't produced in an authoritarian country. They designed it and as per usual they went out to order the custom size screws. Manufacturer after manufacturer looked at the contract and said no. Then they finally got to one and asked them out of frustration about why he said no. To paraphrase they answered "You. When you moved your manufacturing over to China and the Chinese manufacturers started to set up custom screws their production lines had to be able to make any screw at any length. Then when they weren't selling production to you, they were selling quality screws cheaper to America, so the only way we could compete is to make dedicated production lines that crank out large amounts of products that are common and high quality or very affordable. That means machines that produce exactly one standard screw. Now if you are willing to fund additional floorspace, and custom screw machinery, and training for the operators like you did when you produced in China and are willing to wait for about 5 years to get it up to full production at American Wages, the answer is No." and they kept hearing that so they had to go to the government that they promised to make the phones to and explained that they couldn't do it without China, so they were let off. Everything that they were using that wasn't American was South Korean, and that wasn't enough. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MrNobody@quokk.au 3 points 1 week ago (3 children) America is an authoritarian country, phones made there don’t count either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] WolvenSpectre@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) Not yet but the current admiration is trying hard to get there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MrNobody@quokk.au 1 point 1 week ago* (1 child) Nah, you were before Trump and will remain after him. Your prison industrial complex is proof of the injustices and abuse of authority carried out by the state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] WolvenSpectre@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 days ago Canadian here, not American. An Authoritarian State is one where the state is fully subservient to a single person or party. Does not fit that description yet. There are branches of government that are trying to hold the Tangerine Tyrant to account and the only reason that he is getting away with it is the money in politics is keeping his opponents from being held to full account. And if you are Australian you are in a glass house throwing rocks assuming my politics. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MrNobody@quokk.au 3 points 1 week ago (3 children) America is an authoritarian country, phones made there don’t count either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] WolvenSpectre@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) Not yet but the current admiration is trying hard to get there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MrNobody@quokk.au 1 point 1 week ago* (1 child) Nah, you were before Trump and will remain after him. Your prison industrial complex is proof of the injustices and abuse of authority carried out by the state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] WolvenSpectre@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 days ago Canadian here, not American. An Authoritarian State is one where the state is fully subservient to a single person or party. Does not fit that description yet. There are branches of government that are trying to hold the Tangerine Tyrant to account and the only reason that he is getting away with it is the money in politics is keeping his opponents from being held to full account. And if you are Australian you are in a glass house throwing rocks assuming my politics. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WolvenSpectre@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) Not yet but the current admiration is trying hard to get there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MrNobody@quokk.au 1 point 1 week ago* (1 child) Nah, you were before Trump and will remain after him. Your prison industrial complex is proof of the injustices and abuse of authority carried out by the state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] WolvenSpectre@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 days ago Canadian here, not American. An Authoritarian State is one where the state is fully subservient to a single person or party. Does not fit that description yet. There are branches of government that are trying to hold the Tangerine Tyrant to account and the only reason that he is getting away with it is the money in politics is keeping his opponents from being held to full account. And if you are Australian you are in a glass house throwing rocks assuming my politics. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MrNobody@quokk.au 1 point 1 week ago* (1 child) Nah, you were before Trump and will remain after him. Your prison industrial complex is proof of the injustices and abuse of authority carried out by the state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] WolvenSpectre@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 days ago Canadian here, not American. An Authoritarian State is one where the state is fully subservient to a single person or party. Does not fit that description yet. There are branches of government that are trying to hold the Tangerine Tyrant to account and the only reason that he is getting away with it is the money in politics is keeping his opponents from being held to full account. And if you are Australian you are in a glass house throwing rocks assuming my politics. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WolvenSpectre@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 days ago Canadian here, not American. An Authoritarian State is one where the state is fully subservient to a single person or party. Does not fit that description yet. There are branches of government that are trying to hold the Tangerine Tyrant to account and the only reason that he is getting away with it is the money in politics is keeping his opponents from being held to full account. And if you are Australian you are in a glass house throwing rocks assuming my politics. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com 3 points 1 week ago Fair phone is HQd in the Netherlands permalink fedilink source parent
[–] modem_down@thebrainbin.org 2 points 1 week ago Jolla was already mentioned in this thread. There are also others. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago Well that's uplifting. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca [S] 1 point 1 week ago I wish Nokia had Graphene. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 week ago Motorola is not an american company anymore at least the mobile part that google bought and sold. permalink fedilink source parent