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[–] 58 points 2 years ago (36 children)

Element needs to be better. Discord is awesome with the way it auto-plays looping videos/gifs and has animated emojis.

Seriously: That's all they'd need to do. The element devs need to focus on fun.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Isn't that a client side issue though? Element is just one Matrix client. I haven't used it myself but heard from others that Fluffychat (another Matrix client) is more like Discord.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Yeah it's probably just a client side issue but the OP mentioned Element, specifically 🤷

    I just wanted to point out that Element is no fun! No fun at all!

    It works and it works great for what it does. Even voice and streaming are great with Element. It's just got a terrible, no-fun interface and pointless limitations on things like looping videos. You can't even configure it to make them play properly (as in, automatic and endlessly, the way they were meant to be played! 😤).

    Looping videos and animated emojis are super fun ways to chat with people. Even in professional settings! It really breaks up the humdrum and can motivate people to chat and share more.

    Element is all serious all the time and going into a chat channel there feels like a chore.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    If I'm talking with people about the topical thing which is why I joined a room in the first place, the last thing I want is a looping autoloops fruityloops annoyance. Plus, not autoplaying and autolooping them saves battery.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I hate to break this to you but that means you're not normal. If all you ever do in chat is talk about serious things that are of such earth-shattering importance that it would be incredibly rude and obnoxious for someone to post a silent looping video you're not normal, and no fun at all.

    The way Element currently works, it's made for people like you... A strange minority that probably only thinks about "chat" in terms of communicating for an end goal and not for the pleasure of conversation.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago*

    Plus all this stuff can be disabled in discord too, if you want to be that serious. There are per-role and per-channel settings that let you disable images, link embedding, external emojis, etc.

    It gives you choice. I have no choice in Element, it's always unfun all the time.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    What would likely help a lot if it was easier to get set up, particularly on a VPS or something like that. Small businesses and or larger community projects would be more likely to jump on possibly.

    Another thing is ability to easily join, a lot of the above just have an easy link to join their discord server, not sure how easy matrix on boarding is currently as I still haven't gotten my instance functional yet (not even half done with synapse configuration seemingly)

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    I mean, there are quite a few such providers: https://etke.cc/

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Fair enough, I do mean moreso for self host in a way, like I've seen some game hosting servers, they have a VPS they already paid for and use Pelican or Pterodactyl to host it all, being able to throw matrix into the mix easily would be great in those cases. Seems like this would be a separate situation, which is definitely fine, just not exactly what I meant.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (3 children)

    Well if you have a VPS then installing the dockerized Synapse just takes a few minutes.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

    I'll have to take a look, I have synapse running but I can't actually connect to my server at all, need to set up the database and sign-ups and all that shit.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Are you using the dockerized version? If so it sets up (a) database etc.

    https://hub.docker.com/r/matrixdotorg/synapse

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    Also, people forget that Discord's streaming capability is, unfortunately, absolutely top-notch; no other community-screensharing platform has fewer issues, and my friends and I like to watch each other play games often.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago* (18 children)

    Fun is the least of my concerns. I don't know why people compare the 2 when they have almost nothing in common. One is a chat app and the other is a voice/streaming/community app. Matrix is slow as hell and the way "spaces" are implemented is a joke.

    Honestly outside of the incessant pop-ups and upsells and the whole selling everything to AI companies, it's pretty great for private communities.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (17 children)

    Your view of Matrix seems a bit weird. AFAIK I can do all the voice/streaming/community in Matrix as well as it's done in Discord.

    Also, no, my server isn't slow. matrix.org might be, I don't know.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Matrix is notorious for its poor performance with large/numerous groups. They keep claiming to improve it, but it's still bad.

    I mean, it's great that it works for you, but be honest: isn't your tolerance for technological friction a bit higher than the average bear's? People complain that Mastodon is too hard, and Matrix is ten times worse to sign up for and use.

    I hate to say it, but Matrix is never going to be mainstream. Its UX is bad and it seems like it's too bloated to fix. If I tried to get people to move from Discord to Matrix, they'd never take me seriously again. It was hard enough getting people to move from Facebook Messenger to Signal.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (5 children)

    I run a Matrix family instance. My elderly parents use it as their main way of communicating with us.

    Sure, I set up their accounts - but all that difficult to use UX seems to have passed them by completely since they're very happy with it.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    I set up their accounts

    Setup is the hardest part. Syncing multiple devices and device migration are also hard. I'll bet you're going to act as tech support every time they get a new phone. That's fine for your family, but it's hardly going to scale.

    The performance issues show up when dealing with large groups syncing between instances. You might just not be using it that way, but that's what needs to work seamlessly for a viable substitute for Discord.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (3 children)

    How large is large? A few hundreds? Not seeing any performance issues.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

    If we're talking about Matrix as a Discord alternative, then that would mean thousands of channels, each with hundreds or thousands of users, many with constant activity.

    I'm not sure if anybody actually uses Matrix at the scale of the average Discord user. Sliding sync is supposed to help, but I don't think the Matrix architecture can realistically scale that high.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    You might have a very different definition of "average Discord user" than the average Discord user.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    Or perhaps you do not understand how Discord is commonly used.

    People join dozens of servers. Maybe one for every game they play, every TV show they watch, every podcast they listen to. Everything has a Discord.

    Even small Discord servers have many channels. Bigger ones will have dozens or hundreds of channels.

    Some servers have millions of users. Most of the servers I'm in have thousands.

    Many channels are default for all users in the server.

    Not sure what the mathematical average is, but this is certainly common at least, and any alternative that can't handle this is no alternative at all.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    I have a Matrix server. I've also used a half a dozen others. Every one of them you have sit there and stare at it for 5-10 secs and watch the messages roll in every time you open the app.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    I can't speak to your server but I don't have that issue. It was solved with Sliding Sync quite some time ago.

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    I'm guessing your issue is in your installation.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    You missed the part where I said I've also tried a half a dozen different servers. And if they all also screwed up then that is just a different type of problem that still exists.

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  • [–] [S, A] -3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Sorry but this sounds like a skill issue.

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