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Internet forums are disappearing because now everything is Reddit and Discord. And that's worrying. (www-xataka-com.translate.goog)
submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by [A] to c/fediverse@lemmy.world
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What are we going to do about it?

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Edit: thanks to @Xamrica@lemmy.dbzer0.com for this translation alternative: https://translate.kagi.com/translate/https://www.xataka.com/servicios/foros-internet-estan-desapareciendo-porque-ahora-todo-reddit-discord-eso-preocupante

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[–] 2 points 2 years ago* (18 children)

Fun is the least of my concerns. I don't know why people compare the 2 when they have almost nothing in common. One is a chat app and the other is a voice/streaming/community app. Matrix is slow as hell and the way "spaces" are implemented is a joke.

Honestly outside of the incessant pop-ups and upsells and the whole selling everything to AI companies, it's pretty great for private communities.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (17 children)

    Your view of Matrix seems a bit weird. AFAIK I can do all the voice/streaming/community in Matrix as well as it's done in Discord.

    Also, no, my server isn't slow. matrix.org might be, I don't know.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Matrix is notorious for its poor performance with large/numerous groups. They keep claiming to improve it, but it's still bad.

    I mean, it's great that it works for you, but be honest: isn't your tolerance for technological friction a bit higher than the average bear's? People complain that Mastodon is too hard, and Matrix is ten times worse to sign up for and use.

    I hate to say it, but Matrix is never going to be mainstream. Its UX is bad and it seems like it's too bloated to fix. If I tried to get people to move from Discord to Matrix, they'd never take me seriously again. It was hard enough getting people to move from Facebook Messenger to Signal.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (5 children)

    I run a Matrix family instance. My elderly parents use it as their main way of communicating with us.

    Sure, I set up their accounts - but all that difficult to use UX seems to have passed them by completely since they're very happy with it.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    I set up their accounts

    Setup is the hardest part. Syncing multiple devices and device migration are also hard. I'll bet you're going to act as tech support every time they get a new phone. That's fine for your family, but it's hardly going to scale.

    The performance issues show up when dealing with large groups syncing between instances. You might just not be using it that way, but that's what needs to work seamlessly for a viable substitute for Discord.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (3 children)

    How large is large? A few hundreds? Not seeing any performance issues.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

    If we're talking about Matrix as a Discord alternative, then that would mean thousands of channels, each with hundreds or thousands of users, many with constant activity.

    I'm not sure if anybody actually uses Matrix at the scale of the average Discord user. Sliding sync is supposed to help, but I don't think the Matrix architecture can realistically scale that high.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    You might have a very different definition of "average Discord user" than the average Discord user.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    Or perhaps you do not understand how Discord is commonly used.

    People join dozens of servers. Maybe one for every game they play, every TV show they watch, every podcast they listen to. Everything has a Discord.

    Even small Discord servers have many channels. Bigger ones will have dozens or hundreds of channels.

    Some servers have millions of users. Most of the servers I'm in have thousands.

    Many channels are default for all users in the server.

    Not sure what the mathematical average is, but this is certainly common at least, and any alternative that can't handle this is no alternative at all.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    I have a Matrix server. I've also used a half a dozen others. Every one of them you have sit there and stare at it for 5-10 secs and watch the messages roll in every time you open the app.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    I can't speak to your server but I don't have that issue. It was solved with Sliding Sync quite some time ago.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (4 children)

    Sliding sync did nothing.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (3 children)

    I'm guessing your issue is in your installation.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    You missed the part where I said I've also tried a half a dozen different servers. And if they all also screwed up then that is just a different type of problem that still exists.

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  • [–] [S, A] -3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Sorry but this sounds like a skill issue.

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