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Not Our Gains (europe.pub)
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[–] 2 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah, I understand that, and actually, I'm sorry for the really harsh response, I was a bit stressed although that's not justification, I felt bad afterwards.

And I'm not trying to shame those who want to be vegan. I have vegan family, and I respect and love them. But I'm tired of being shamed and attacked for being omnivore (I'm not even carnist, and I hate industrialized meat production).

But it's not objectively false my claim.

Maybe I was too broad, it can be more nuanced, but at least where I live, is cheaper not to be totally vegan, and I know because I have to read the price of everything everytime I go to buy stuff with my mother (I'm the one that knows how to use the calculator, she doesn't). Meat consumption should be reduced, nevertheless, but never totally removed.

I know you're not forcing anyone to be vegan too, but there's a really noisy group of vegans and vegetarians that want to ban it, and will demonize and shame and attack non-vegan and non-vegetarian people in the process.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 hours ago (1 child)

    Banning would be absolutely impractical until affordable replacements for staples exist. Obviously regional availability differs, but I suspect if you were to go shopping with a vegan or vegetarian in your community they could show you how to eat vegan affordably. You can buy bulk legumes and rice, supplement that with seasonally affordable other vegetables for fiber and nutrients, and season for flavor. You won't be eating a diverse diet, but you certainly can eat cheaper vegetarian or vegan, just by the law of thermodynamics. It way more expensive to feed plants to livestock to then be eaten by you, compared to just feeding you directly. Keep an eye out for seasonal maize family vegetables, squash family vegetables, onions, and cabbage. Its all about when and how much you buy. The only meat that comes close to vegetable pricing per calorie is chicken.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 hours ago

    Actually most of my diet is just chicken and cow meat, and cow meat here is really cheap because we live relatively near to where it's locally produced.

    I actually asked my vegan family to teach us to affordably eat vegan (like, still consuming eggs, cheeses and the like, because for me these dense proteins are something I can't leave, I have an accelerated metabolism and I feel hungry really fast, and fiber-rich foods are expensive here because most of them are imported and we have international commerce problems), but they told us that was impossible here because of our countries situation, even when they could like us to eat less meat.

    I'd actually like vegan food to become more universally accesible but that's unfortunately something hard with the current worldwide events.

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