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[–] 10 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Sorry, I meant reasonable speed limiters. If the bike is capped at 32kph, so should the cars. We're talking about safety, right?

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  • [–] 9 points 2 days ago (5 children)

    That...is a pretty dumb take.

    Bikes/Scooters are not cars, they're not insured, they're not licensed. Children can and regularly do use them.

    Now if you want to talk about properly ticketing, charging, and impounding cars/drivers breaking the rules, that's a different conversation. But an ebike or scooter going 120km/h isn't the same as a car doing 120km/h on a highway.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    It's more an objection to the typical "personal freedom" argument you get from car drivers who balk at the idea of speed limiters. There is no road in North America with a speed limit of 160kph, so a hard limit of that value is meaningless. I'd be open to a dynamic speed limiter that was context-aware though: we already see that cars have the capability of knowing the current speed limit and chiming to let the driver know they're busting the limit. There's no reason why the limit shouldn't be enforced there in the same way that e-bikes have a fixed limit... even when they're forced to share a road with cars that do not obey the limit.

    I accept your argument that bikes aren't insured or licensed, and that this can be used as an excuse to limit their capabilities, but as one of the law-abiding e-bike riders who's been tailgated, close-passed and nearly run off the road by more than a few angry drivers, I can assure you that e-bikes are not the problem when it comes to safety. 2-tonnes of steel and glass being driven by (licensed, insured) absolute maniacs is the real threat.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    I think some form of limit aware speed chime or warning is required on new cars sold in the EU. Having driven a few, I would not want to trust that technology to slow the car down.

    Many times I have had a car’s camera pick up a speed limit sign from a neighbouring road to the highway and indicate that I was suddenly going 60 km/h over the new speed limit. Same thing if GPS tracking or map data isn’t perfect on cars that use that instead.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago

    Well if technology can't be trusted to keep two tonnes of steel and glass from moving at unsafe speeds, the obvious response must be to ban such vehicles from areas where they might be used to kill people.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    That...is a pretty dumb take

    i don't agree

    cars cause way more deaths, i'm all for limiting them to 30 km/hr. And even if scooters cause deaths its mostly the idiot riding them, with cars, the drivers murder other people ... all the time.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago*

    So what's your plan to redesign every single city in the country? Are you going to build out high speed rail?

    It's a dumb take because it doesn't account for the myriad of things that would need to be intrinsically altered to accomplish your goal of 30km/h cars.

    I don't argue people kill tons of people with cars every year, I will argue about what your plan is outside of slow down cars. We'd be looking at least at hundreds of billions to rebuild everything, likely more.

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