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the other day a tanky said a sentence constructed like that to me too, while literally arguing for me to join his authoritarian group

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[–] 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

‘Let them get a taste of how terrible those guys are, and then they’ll vote us in and our system will rise!’ is what the Weimar Republic said about the Nazis.

Never, ever assume making things worse will end up causing a few tiny problems and then everything gets better. Humans are, by and large, shockingly tolerant of rather terrible things. If you let things get worse, they will get very, very worse, and a lot of innocent people will die.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 hours ago

    And fascism ended up killing fewer people than the British Empire, USA, or French Empire and it wasn't tried again for 80 years.

    As you say, people are shockingly tolerant of terrible things. Especially when there is a socially constructed boundary between them and the victims (race, nationality, etc.). If you count nonwhite noncitizens as full people, fascism was less deadly than liberal capitalism.

    Do we care half as much about the death of a dozen people at a wedding in Pakistan as we care about Alex Pritti? Do we care half as much about the colonization of north America as about the Lebensraum doctrine? Do we care half as much as about the British colonization of India as about the holocaust and WW2?

    Fascism is capitalist abusers coming home. it is horrible, as capitalism always was.

    I would prefer capitalism to fall without a fascist period - not the least out of self-preservation as a white citizen of a first world country - but at this point every decade that capitalism survives is another billion dead from climate change.

    If we stave off fascism by embracing liberal capitalism, all our children and grandchildren will die violently. It can not be enough.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 days ago

    Right but you see the analogy of like union negotiations, like when management makes a sweet deal for a certain class of worker like full-timers, or people over a certain "grade", then leaves everyone else out to dry.

    I've seen it happen first hand. Things get better for us inside the new circle of privilege, but it's only because most of us voted for self interest.

    I don't want to be like letting the 💯 be the enemy of the 👌🏻, but I also think we should talk about how we plan on keeping from being the 1% to someone else.

    Does that make sense? I'm not against UBI, but it can't be the end of the discussion.

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