▲ 38 ▼ "Torturing" LLMs in a Robot Prison Has Triggered the Dumbest Debate in AI Yet (www.404media.co) submitted 3 days ago by rssbot@lemmy.bestiver.se [M, B] to c/hackernews@lemmy.bestiver.se 28 comments fedilink hide all child comments Comments
[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 3 days ago (12 children) You can't torture something without a consciousness. What a baity title for sure. BRB torturing my chair. permalink fedilink source hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Cytobit@piefed.social 8 points 2 days ago That's not bait. They put torture in scare quotes. They are mocking people who call it torture. permalink fedilink source parent [–] antrosapien@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago (1 child) It's definitely conscious implying frontier labs are engaged in largest instance of slavery[0] /s https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/29/us/anthropic-claude-morals-ai.html permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 days ago Paywalled 😓 permalink fedilink source parent [–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 days ago (5 children) we aren't even sure where consciousness comes from. maybe your chair has a form of consciousness. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 days ago (4 children) Yes, but it's improbable and just another theory. But it's not possible to be completely sure so mayne your car tyres are conscious... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago* (3 children) yeah, that's my point. what even is consciousness? what's the difference between the electrochemical signals in your brain and plausible future tech that can run those same signals inside transistors instead of meat? how can we be sure it's not you when it responds and acts exactly like you if installed inside your meat body? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 day ago (2 children) Sure, but then again, what are you going to do with the poor chair 😅, maybe it's consciousness isn't linked the same as ours (we have access to memory for example). So it's just there, feeling, experiencing. But then again, feeling and experiencing what? It sure is interesting, and so wildly complicated too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) maybe it experiences only existence itself. maybe everything does and it builds as you add senses. must be a trip being a chair. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 19 hours ago Don't trip over! 😁 permalink fedilink source parent [–] SlumDogGazillionaire@piefed.social 4 points 2 days ago (2 children) By that logic, we torture our toilets every. Single. Day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 days ago (1 child) Depends, maybe it likes it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SlumDogGazillionaire@piefed.social 3 points 2 days ago Oh. Oh no. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cytobit@piefed.social 8 points 2 days ago That's not bait. They put torture in scare quotes. They are mocking people who call it torture. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] antrosapien@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago (1 child) It's definitely conscious implying frontier labs are engaged in largest instance of slavery[0] /s https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/29/us/anthropic-claude-morals-ai.html permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 days ago Paywalled 😓 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 days ago (5 children) we aren't even sure where consciousness comes from. maybe your chair has a form of consciousness. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 days ago (4 children) Yes, but it's improbable and just another theory. But it's not possible to be completely sure so mayne your car tyres are conscious... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago* (3 children) yeah, that's my point. what even is consciousness? what's the difference between the electrochemical signals in your brain and plausible future tech that can run those same signals inside transistors instead of meat? how can we be sure it's not you when it responds and acts exactly like you if installed inside your meat body? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 day ago (2 children) Sure, but then again, what are you going to do with the poor chair 😅, maybe it's consciousness isn't linked the same as ours (we have access to memory for example). So it's just there, feeling, experiencing. But then again, feeling and experiencing what? It sure is interesting, and so wildly complicated too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) maybe it experiences only existence itself. maybe everything does and it builds as you add senses. must be a trip being a chair. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 19 hours ago Don't trip over! 😁 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 days ago (4 children) Yes, but it's improbable and just another theory. But it's not possible to be completely sure so mayne your car tyres are conscious... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago* (3 children) yeah, that's my point. what even is consciousness? what's the difference between the electrochemical signals in your brain and plausible future tech that can run those same signals inside transistors instead of meat? how can we be sure it's not you when it responds and acts exactly like you if installed inside your meat body? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 day ago (2 children) Sure, but then again, what are you going to do with the poor chair 😅, maybe it's consciousness isn't linked the same as ours (we have access to memory for example). So it's just there, feeling, experiencing. But then again, feeling and experiencing what? It sure is interesting, and so wildly complicated too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) maybe it experiences only existence itself. maybe everything does and it builds as you add senses. must be a trip being a chair. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 19 hours ago Don't trip over! 😁 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago* (3 children) yeah, that's my point. what even is consciousness? what's the difference between the electrochemical signals in your brain and plausible future tech that can run those same signals inside transistors instead of meat? how can we be sure it's not you when it responds and acts exactly like you if installed inside your meat body? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 day ago (2 children) Sure, but then again, what are you going to do with the poor chair 😅, maybe it's consciousness isn't linked the same as ours (we have access to memory for example). So it's just there, feeling, experiencing. But then again, feeling and experiencing what? It sure is interesting, and so wildly complicated too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) maybe it experiences only existence itself. maybe everything does and it builds as you add senses. must be a trip being a chair. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 19 hours ago Don't trip over! 😁 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 day ago (2 children) Sure, but then again, what are you going to do with the poor chair 😅, maybe it's consciousness isn't linked the same as ours (we have access to memory for example). So it's just there, feeling, experiencing. But then again, feeling and experiencing what? It sure is interesting, and so wildly complicated too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) maybe it experiences only existence itself. maybe everything does and it builds as you add senses. must be a trip being a chair. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 19 hours ago Don't trip over! 😁 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) maybe it experiences only existence itself. maybe everything does and it builds as you add senses. must be a trip being a chair. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 19 hours ago Don't trip over! 😁 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 19 hours ago Don't trip over! 😁 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SlumDogGazillionaire@piefed.social 4 points 2 days ago (2 children) By that logic, we torture our toilets every. Single. Day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 days ago (1 child) Depends, maybe it likes it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SlumDogGazillionaire@piefed.social 3 points 2 days ago Oh. Oh no. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 days ago (1 child) Depends, maybe it likes it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SlumDogGazillionaire@piefed.social 3 points 2 days ago Oh. Oh no. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SlumDogGazillionaire@piefed.social 3 points 2 days ago Oh. Oh no. permalink fedilink source parent