I see the inverse of this, with native speakers of languages that use ABC (alphabet) to learn a language that’s logographic such as Japanese & Mandarin (since both have 漢字) as a single character is a word (difficult concept for them to grasp at first). However, even if let’s say a Mandarin speaker with zero exposure to English leans ABC for the first time, would the grammar be hard even if they’ve managed to master the alphabet?

There are sounds that don’t exist in both JP & ZH like words that start or end with “TH” (i.e. Thorough, Moth) as they don’t have that in their phonology. Don’t even mention the misleading pronunciations of certain words in ENG based on spelling that stump them like “Colonel” (大佐・上校) since most speakers of ENG say that as “Kernel”. Even if “alphabet” based languages are easy, the grammar can be hard for a non-native to learn.

As in, what would it be like for a Japanese & Mandarin speaker learning a Euro language (all alphabetical based) from 漢字 > ABC or Cyrillic as it’s alien to their own plus huge differences in vocab with zero similarity (like this: “Salida” from ES is equivalent to 出口 in JP & ZH) including common things most Euro languages have: gender cases (no such thing on JP & ZH), definite and indefinite articles for example to list a few.

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[–] 6 points 2 days ago

The way the question is framed is a tad confusing to me. The historical development of writing systems by humans is unambiguous, in that the spoken language came first and then writing systems later. So the idea that learning a spoken language is easier/harder due to its writing system is a strange mismatch of not-really dependent factors.

Insofar as Japanese, Mandarin, and Cantonese are concerned, my cursory understanding is that Japanese uses a different ordering for nouns and verbs, while the latter two have more similar ordering to English, Korean, Vietnamese, and western European language. Someone should fact check that.

That said, English is not a pinnacle example of a alphabetic language, because it has so many loanwords that its pronunciation system strains to logically capture all its rules. The romance languages do a more decent job of matching the written language to the spoken language.

At bottom, learning to speak a foreign language can be done without learning its writing system. When speakers can't write the language, it is called illiteracy. But to learn a writing system without its spoken language, there are few examples, because every writing system conceived by humans always encoded some aspect of the spoken language's grammar. Pre-1900 Vietnamese using the Chinese script is not fully comprehensible to a Japanese reader, as an example.

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