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Welcome most americanised province of Canada! (europe.pub)
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Uncle Sam boot about to crush UCP voters who rolled out welcome carpet to the USA.
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[–] 7 points 6 days ago (4 children)

When you look at the geography and political identity of the US and Canada, its mildly surprising that this didn't happen sooner.

Not holding my breath, though. The ties that bind regions within a nation are ultimately far more about bureaucracy than culture or identity.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 days ago (3 children)

    Do you mean the PNW and BC? THEN YES.

    I have more in common with BC than anywhere else in America. I'm tired of having my lot thrown in with red state shitholes.

    Secession is the democratic human right of self determination.

    About bureaucracy vs culture, this is a good example for the Donbass and Crimea. Crimea had been Russia for centuries, and was only associated with the Ukraine as a bureaucratic move by Khrushchev under the Soviet Union. The people are overwhelmingly ethnic Russian, and overwhelmingly support Russian annexation after the coup. They have very little in common with ethnic Ukrainian nationalists in Lviv.

    People have a right to exist, not nations. When they have no other choice then this makes them nothing more than serfs within neofeudal bondage.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 days ago* (1 child)

    I’m tired of having my lot thrown in with red state shitholes.

    Even "red" states tend to be a dichotomy of urban liberals and rural conservatives, or college educated liberals and service sector conservatives, or minority liberals and white conservatives. Some of the reddest counties in America are in New York and California. Some of the bluest are in Florida and Texas.

    Secession is the democratic human right of self determination.

    Secession from whom, by whom, through what political mechanism?

    If you live in a neighborhood and five of your next door neighbors are sovereign citizens, are you now in their country cause they took a vote during a BBQ you weren't invited to?

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  • [–] 0 points 6 days ago*

    I get what you're saying, and it only brings up more reasons that our system is as outmoded as it is undemocratic. States are an archaic and arbitrary construct. Even though anyone would agree that one-person-one-vote is a fundamental democratic principle, we don't have that. A Wyoming voter has SEVENTY TIMES more voting power in the Senate than a Californian. States vote on the national issues there, not people. States are no more people than corporations are.

    I don't think there'd be much of a problem if we voted across the board, but we don't, so state secession is the only option.

    All other avenues are closed within a system designed to not allow democracy, nevermind reform.

    How do you get states to abolish themselves?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 days ago

    Hate to burst your bubble... but BC's currently looking likely to elect a conservative party later this month. A conservative party that had staffed up with Alberta separatist staffers, prior to its leader stepping down, and then the subsequent election call.

    A 75% chance of a conservative majority, when the conservatives don't even have a fixed leader at present -- which also makes it really hard to attack them on policies, as it's not clear if they're "totally separatist traitor cucks" or just "regular conservative sorts" (ours hadn't been quite so crazy as the states, until recently, what with all the US influence campaigns and money).

    The interior and northern areas of the province have almost always been conservative areas. Only Vancouver, and parts of the Island, are likely to be 'sympatico' with your perspective.

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