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[–] 2 points 4 days ago (22 children)

Hey man, I'm just saying, maybe Putin shouldn't have orchestrated apartment bombings, sold former soviet assets to oligarchs, own several luxurious properties throughout your country, had political dissidents and opponents assassinated (inside and outside of Russia) took extreme efforts to install pro-Putin leaders in other countries, make all displays of LGBTQ pride and education illegal, control the entire media system, and not relinquish power ever.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 days ago* (21 children)

    Let's say your wildest accusations against this foreign Emuel Goldstein boogieman were true. You're saying that the West wouldn't want to destroy Russia and take all their shit? As if. Everything you accuse Russia of doing is true for America or the dictatorships we foster. We're currently arming over 80% of all dictatorships. The only difference is that they're willingly giving us their natural resources.

    Weird how no one talks about Venezuela anymore. That propaganda sure dried up quick after they turned over their oil fields to corporations.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago* (20 children)

    Like I said the last time we spent a week in a thread going back and forth, I can do this forever. You know I can.

    You already established you aren't American, and CERTAINLY aren't culturally progressive. You claim it, every single time, say "we're doing x." "We do x." You don't even realize you're on a European instance do you?

    I didn't claim Russia was doing SHIT this time. I merely responded that you claim Russia is a victim of the west.

    Putin, and his Kremlin are the problem for Russians. Vladamir Putin, specifically.

    The rest of the world worries about Russians because of what Putin has done to them to enrich himself.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 days ago (19 children)

    The rest of the world?

    And even then, that's just Western oligarchs dictating policies we have no say in.

    What happens when you ask the people who the biggest threat is?

    You're a minority within a minority, lapping up lies from the Epstein Billionaire Class.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago (18 children)

    And that's the part I find funny. You simply cannot comprehend, or allow, that because I dissent from not just the current regime, but most administrations of the U.S., that I must be eating up the propaganda.

    Its not even odd to you is it? The U.S.A currently has a very pro-Putin regime. Yet the U.S.A is doing exactly what you are pointing out.

    I mean, fuck, the Trump family has made significant money IN Russia. The Kremlin, the sole authority in Russia could stop that cash in an instant. Why don't they?

    But I mention the cruelty of Putin, and you get all bent out of shape. Putin is a victim of western propaganda.

    Do you need a list I have of 64 people who the Kremlin successfully assassinated? Or just the ones within Russia?

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  • [–] -3 points 3 days ago (17 children)

    If Russia has something on Trump then good for them. 👍

    I've seen the opposition we support in Russia. Navalny marches is fascist Imperial Russia rallies because they are the opposition. The dude called Muslims vermin and cockroaches.

    I don't like the idea of supporting fascists in other nations, but we did start it. America has been fostering fascism in Europe since WWII ended.

    The big winner is fascists everywhere.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago* (16 children)

    Did... you... not remember our last conversation?

    Edit: I'm kind of hurt.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 days ago (14 children)

    No, you owe an actual explanation for your support of Putin.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 days ago* (13 children)

    I support democracy, and that aligns in the Donbass secession after the coup

    Explain how you oppose democracy more than this Emanuel Goldstein boogieman you're so worked up about.

    I also love seeing fascists get rekt. Watching Chechens stack Azov Battalion corpses like cordwood on the streets of Mariupol was epic.

    😗👌

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago (12 children)

    But why do you support Putin? He's worth what, $200 billion? If he's that rich, and Russians are poorer than Americans, it's pretty obvious he doesn't give two shits about Russians.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 days ago (11 children)

    I don't support Putin, regardless of your wild claims.

    I support democratic secession in the Donbass after a coup.

    I support healthcare as a right also. If Trump miraculously decides to enact Medicare For All that doesn't make me a Trump supporter, but corporate Dems would sure try making that connection.

    Democracy is a very simple principle.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago (10 children)

    But you support his invasion into Ukraine?

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  • [–] -2 points 2 days ago (9 children)

    The Donetsk and Luhansk Peoples Republics, Crimea, stopped being "Ukraine" the moment Banderites stormed the capitol. They're not serfs.

    People have a right to exist, not nations.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 day ago (8 children)

    So you support his violent means to attempt to take land to destroy nations?

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  • [–] -1 points 1 day ago (7 children)

    The violent means began with a U.S. bankrolled fascist coup.

    But yeah, fuck nations. Fascism is the inevitable conclusion to all nationalism.

    Destroy all nations.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 day ago* (6 children)

    Ok, so I know you keep repeating the exact same thing every single time, but I do find it absolutely hilarious (like comedic) that a "U.S. bankrolled fascist coup" that led to 108 protestors and 13 government enforcers dying is how you justify 2,000,000 casualties (amongst both sides) in the invasion of Ukraine. Like come on dude, that is some insane mental gymnastics. I know for a fact, from Russian immigrants to the U.S., that Russians have an extremely complex view of their country, and socially cannot express anything except nationalist views.

    But my question remains unanswered: why do you support Putin's extreme measures, yet claim to not support Putin?

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  • [–] -1 points 1 day ago (5 children)

    There's not much in this world worth killing and dying for, but the democratic right of self determination seems to be one of them.

    At least, that's what I was taught growing up by civics teachers in American public schools.

    You've obviously never had to make that choice, but you seem to think you can for other people.

    Are you talking about how Nazi symbology is banned in Russia? What's censored?

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  • [–] 0 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

    No, I'm talking about how Vladimir Putin caused so much death, and you cannot dissent from agreeing with Putin's policies of death.

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  • [–] -1 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

    Is Putin in the room with you right now?

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  • [–] 1 point 21 hours ago

    I have a better respose.

    He might be.

    Putin killed Russians to get into power. He murdered Russian citizens who opposed him or became a threat. He made 1,500,000 Russians soldiers die fighting for something that wasn't his.

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