▲ 24 ▼ What’s your opinion on separation of church and state? (lemmy.ml) submitted 3 weeks ago by curious_beetle@lemmy.ml to c/asklemmygrad@lemmygrad.ml 32 comments fedilink hide all child comments Title is pretty explicit, what do you think about separating church (or religion as a whole) from the state?
[–] SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 weeks ago* (5 children) Alas it's true, but the post wasn't asking only about revolutionary praxis. The World would be better without religion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] curious_beetle@lemmy.ml [S] 8 points 3 weeks ago (4 children) Yeah but i feel like repression wouldn’t work, we should just keep educating people and generation by generation faith will slowly stop being a thing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] frisbird@lemmy.ml 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) You don't need feelings. You have evidence. The Bolsheviks thought they should abolish religion to free the masses. It was an error and did not properly match reality. Religious repression as a blanket policy had to get walked back in the first ever communist experiment. We learn from history. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Munrock@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 2 weeks ago And then the cultural revolution made the same mistake in China. We've tried, multiple times, to forcibly excise religion and spirituality from the human condition and it never ends well. Now we've got multiple AES states discovering and demonstrating that a robust education system does most of the work of curbing the harm that religion can do. An educated populace naturally comes to the consensus that religion and spirituality should not be involved in the mechanisms of state, even when the majority individually still practice some form of spiritual or superstitious belief. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child) from what i have observed, the path to curtail the influence of religion seems to be: lessen or remove hardships, people tend to turn to religion when they believe no one else can help them education, to lessen the more bigoted and reactionary currents enforcing speech laws on the clergy to stop them being a privileged class religion and spirituality itself isn't really a problem, it's the influence of it that is the issue permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Dreammunist@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago Ive seen people say they don't mind jesus teachings so much but rather dislike his fanclub for how they use it to oppress others permalink fedilink source parent
[–] curious_beetle@lemmy.ml [S] 8 points 3 weeks ago (4 children) Yeah but i feel like repression wouldn’t work, we should just keep educating people and generation by generation faith will slowly stop being a thing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] frisbird@lemmy.ml 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) You don't need feelings. You have evidence. The Bolsheviks thought they should abolish religion to free the masses. It was an error and did not properly match reality. Religious repression as a blanket policy had to get walked back in the first ever communist experiment. We learn from history. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Munrock@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 2 weeks ago And then the cultural revolution made the same mistake in China. We've tried, multiple times, to forcibly excise religion and spirituality from the human condition and it never ends well. Now we've got multiple AES states discovering and demonstrating that a robust education system does most of the work of curbing the harm that religion can do. An educated populace naturally comes to the consensus that religion and spirituality should not be involved in the mechanisms of state, even when the majority individually still practice some form of spiritual or superstitious belief. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child) from what i have observed, the path to curtail the influence of religion seems to be: lessen or remove hardships, people tend to turn to religion when they believe no one else can help them education, to lessen the more bigoted and reactionary currents enforcing speech laws on the clergy to stop them being a privileged class religion and spirituality itself isn't really a problem, it's the influence of it that is the issue permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Dreammunist@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago Ive seen people say they don't mind jesus teachings so much but rather dislike his fanclub for how they use it to oppress others permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frisbird@lemmy.ml 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) You don't need feelings. You have evidence. The Bolsheviks thought they should abolish religion to free the masses. It was an error and did not properly match reality. Religious repression as a blanket policy had to get walked back in the first ever communist experiment. We learn from history. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Munrock@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 2 weeks ago And then the cultural revolution made the same mistake in China. We've tried, multiple times, to forcibly excise religion and spirituality from the human condition and it never ends well. Now we've got multiple AES states discovering and demonstrating that a robust education system does most of the work of curbing the harm that religion can do. An educated populace naturally comes to the consensus that religion and spirituality should not be involved in the mechanisms of state, even when the majority individually still practice some form of spiritual or superstitious belief. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Munrock@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 2 weeks ago And then the cultural revolution made the same mistake in China. We've tried, multiple times, to forcibly excise religion and spirituality from the human condition and it never ends well. Now we've got multiple AES states discovering and demonstrating that a robust education system does most of the work of curbing the harm that religion can do. An educated populace naturally comes to the consensus that religion and spirituality should not be involved in the mechanisms of state, even when the majority individually still practice some form of spiritual or superstitious belief. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child) from what i have observed, the path to curtail the influence of religion seems to be: lessen or remove hardships, people tend to turn to religion when they believe no one else can help them education, to lessen the more bigoted and reactionary currents enforcing speech laws on the clergy to stop them being a privileged class religion and spirituality itself isn't really a problem, it's the influence of it that is the issue permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Dreammunist@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago Ive seen people say they don't mind jesus teachings so much but rather dislike his fanclub for how they use it to oppress others permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dreammunist@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago Ive seen people say they don't mind jesus teachings so much but rather dislike his fanclub for how they use it to oppress others permalink fedilink source parent