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Console market craters as Xbox sales crash 33% to the lowest since launch 25 years ago, PS5 sales drop 25% (www.tomshardware.com)
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[–] 32 points 18 hours ago* (15 children)

Curious to see Nintendo's numbers in comparison.

And yeah, those prices are insane. At a certain point, just pay for a PC and have access to whatever you want. Plus, you don't have to pay an additional fee for online features. It doesn't have to be the best gaming rig ever, especially for most people. And recoup the money spent on a gaming rig by escaping the closed eco system. Wait for good sales on PC games or turn to the high seas.

And honestly, outside of Nintendo, I haven't seen a console exclusive game on Xbox or PS5 that I've wanted to play in years.

Those prices though. People can still game without consoles, and with the way they're destroying the economy, it seems people are realizing they can ditch the consoles for other options.

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  • [–] 18 points 14 hours ago (1 child)

    Nintendo's numbers

    N: "here is a new Mario game or something, whatever, nobody cares anymore, $80 pricing why not"

    Customers: excited screaming and trampling each other

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  • [–] 3 points 18 hours ago (12 children)

    just pay for a PC and have access to whatever you want.

    Yes and no. Yes in many cases, but no in exclusives. Also it depends on the operating system, because Windows 11 is terrible. It's so much cleaner to just boot up a console and play something, than to use Windows. Linux? Yes, that's better, but then you have less games to choose from (especially with the online multiplayer games). Whether this is enough as a replacement depends on many factors. So saying "just buy a PC" is not always the right choice. And that comes from someone who advocates PC and always says "PC is the endgame". We are not there yet. Also god bless Valve (for now).

    However, some of the exclusivity issues go away with emulation, recompilation and decompilation efforts.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 hours ago (6 children)

    Linux? Yes, that’s better, but then you have less games to choose from (especially with the online multiplayer games).

    It's pretty much only those mmo games at this point. Pretty much everything else works, often better than they work on Windows 11

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  • [–] 2 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

    It's not even mmo games but rather competitive multiplayer games.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 hours ago (1 child)

    So online games with large amounts of players?

    So like Massively Multiplayer Online games?

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  • [–] 2 points 6 hours ago

    Warframe is an MMO and plays fine. Final Fantasy 14 is an MMO and plays fine. So does FF11, so do the mihoyo lot, and a good bunch of gachas. And also many other MMO's that I'm leaving behind.

    No, it's not MMO's, it's a specific subset of them which is the competititive pvp ones.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

    @prole @thingsiplay i tried some MMOs on Linux which have a steam launcher. All of those i tried, worked fine - incomplete list: (T)ESO, EvE, Skull&Bones, Nostale, Neverwinter, Elite Dangerous.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 hours ago (1 child)

    Yeah I was referring specifically to ones with anti-cheat, which are mostly first person shooters.

    But yeah I think most people who haven't tried it yet would be shocked by how well gaming works on Linux at this point.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 hours ago

    The anticheats actually do work on linix, they just can't spy on you as effectively so publishers aren't interested. Really tells you that the priority isn't on anti-cheat, but on rifling through you shit.

    Besides, if they wanted anticheat that works, it would be server side anyway.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 hours ago (4 children)

    I think exclusives are a bit of a none starter now. Previous gens of consoles certainly had a good chunk of exclusive games that may have enticed people in. But this gen has had very few that would be "system selling good". And then you have all of the pc exclusives as a counter argument.

    I would also say that you have a significant backlog of incredible games that you can still buy and play, and don't tend to disappear as you move between generations on PC, so unless you are wanting the newest shiny game, you will have too much to play in your life time.

    Also windows 11 isn't terrible... It isn't good, but it's fine. And I don't think I agree with it being cleaner to boot up a console and just play a game. If you have steam run at start up, they are pretty equal.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 hours ago (1 child)

    Also windows 11 isn’t terrible…

    Sounds like Stockholm Syndrome. I guess if you don't know any better...

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  • [–] 1 point 4 hours ago

    No, I prefer using something like KDE, and do a fair bit, but win11 is still not terrible.

    If you want terrible, vista before service pack 2, win 8 and even xp before it got updated. Fuck xp 64bit was a genuine shit show as people tried to convert.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 hours ago (1 child)

    Agree on the exclusivity thing and also I'm one of those with big backlog; it grows faster than I can play. There is no need for me to buy day 1 expensive AAA games. I disagree with all points made in the last segment of your reply.

    Also windows 11 isn’t terrible… It isn’t good, but it’s fine.

    Windows 11 is in my opinion terrible. The updates, the spying, the bloat, the UI, the ads, can't customize much... I don't like anything in Windows 11. And it gets in the way of playing games too, especially if you want to play with gamepad all the time and messages appear (Steam Controller however helps a lot here). To a point that I will never use Windows 11 on my own computer ever. (and it's not like I wouldn't have experience in Win11 too)

    And I don’t think I agree with it being cleaner to boot up a console and just play a game.

    If you ever used SteamOS through Steam Deck in example, then I think you would agree with me. Starting Windows requires a password entering, which is not an issue with consoles. Then Windows loads lot of crap and bloat and you might use the computer for other stuff than gaming too. Here and there are issues using it to play games, like updating drivers, configuration and so on. Playing games on a console is much cleaner and simpler than Windows 11 on PC. SteamOS is also cleaner than Windows 11, but consoles still a lot less problematic in regard that.

    If you have steam run at start up, they are pretty equal.

    They are not. Running Steam in foreground in Big Picture mode is just not the same. It looks the same on the surface, but there are lot of little issues.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 hours ago

    I do have a steam deck, and have also used several Linux installs. If you are booting a Linux pc you should be entering a password.

    You can also have a local account on windows 11 and not have a password. So it just boots to desktop and shows steam. I personally don't have big picture running on windows, I have a mouse and just click on the game I want to play.

    I also have never experienced windows stopping me from playing with a controller(Xbox, ps5 or steam controllers old and new), or interacting with big picture mode.

    It seems like you have tiny things that you are blowing way out of proportion. Like a windows pc taking longer to load than a console, we are talking seconds difference.

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