If yes, how's it going? What do you like about it? What don't you like? What challenges are you encountering? How are you approaching it?

I ask because my partner and i both decided last year we would start doing a little language learning in our spare time, and it's been quite nice to have that "back to school" feeling again after so many years.

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[–] 17 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (7 children)

Currently, I am trying to learn... my native language: Russian. As counterintuitive as it might sound, I moved away from Russia while I was still a young child, so it never really developed much, and the things I knew got lost over time. Luckily, however, I retained a native accent and the conversational flow.

I began this seriously maybe a few months ago, but I usually go from periods of light study to periods where I don't practice at all 😅 Nonetheless, I have definitely been progressing. I started by learning the alphabet, then by reading stuff whenever I got the chance (not serious stuff like books, but stuff like YouTube comments and titles), and once I got pretty good at reading, I began with studying the vocabulary and grammar.

Studying words is fairly easy, but grammar is really the part I dislike the most as of now, in particular, the cases. So many rules... I suppose there is no other way to master them than by doing a lot of practice and correcting yourself whenever you can. I recently downloaded a book onto my computer that is designed to teach you Russian by doing a lot of exercises, and I think that I will begin using it soon. I also heard about scientific studies that say that your brain is really good at acquiring grammar rules by itself, so listening a lot, reading books, and immersing yourself might be the best technique. Sometimes, I can even get the gist of a video I watch that is completely in Russian! Such a satisfying feeling.

As dialectical materialists, we know that progress is not always constant, so despite improving a lot, I sometimes (really often actually) still mess up the spelling of a word. It is important to have a growth mindset.

What language are you learning? 😄

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  • [–] [S] 11 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

    I am currently learning Chinese and Russian. Very different languages with very different challenges, but because of that it helps me not burn out on one language by switching for a few days or weeks to the other whenever i get fatigued with one.

    With Russian, learning the alphabet was the easiest part. It also has enough of a connection to other European languages that many words are not entirely new and i can connect them to words in other languages i already speak.

    The grammar is definitely the most difficult of all the languages i've learned or tried to learn so far, just because there are so many cases. But even there i frequently find parallels and similarities in the forms and patterns with my native language.

    Luckily pronunciation is also not too big of an issue for me, but i can imagine if you're not from that part of the world and you are used to completely different phonetics it can get tricky.

    What you say about acquiring grammar naturally over time is something i have always relied on when learning languages. Just drilling rules and forms doesn't really stick for me, so i need to use and hear them used in context over and over again.

    The next task i've set for myself is to start looking into forming a kind of mental map of the ways that various compound words connect with each other and how base words change meaning through added prefixes, because i found there is a lot of that in Russian.

    As for Chinese, it's practically the diametrical opposite. Everything i find easy about Russian i find hard in Chinese and vice versa. The grammar is very easy if not trivial, but the pronunciation is trickier than Russian, and the listening comprehension is super difficult for me still because of the tones.

    There are very few European loanwords, so most of the vocab is brand new. And where Russian has fairly long but mostly unique words that are not that difficult to memorize, Chinese has a lot of really short words and a ton of homophones, which means you are constantly having to add more meanings to sounds you already learned.

    Also, as a beginner not really being able to hear tones well, that basically quadruples the amount of homophones for you, and you need to kind of look for context clues as to which word is being used.

    Fortunately, in writing most of that ambiguity goes away (though not all, which has been an unpleasant surprise to discover...), but learning to read it is a permanently ongoing task, and you are always learning new characters.

    There are tricks to easier memorizing of characters and how they are pronounced, but that's just mnemonics, in the end you still have to learn each one individually.

    Still, i'd definitely say i have an easier and more fun time with Chinese than Russian, for now. I'm thinking of starting to write down what I've learned so far. Writing things down has always helped me memorize things better... that's how i would always learn my formulas for exams in uni.

    If i can get either language to about the level that my three years of French in high school got me, i would be happy for now.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 days ago (5 children)

    I'm also in a really weird situation regarding Russian, albeit a different one lol. I speak Russian at a native level. I can read, write (though I find cursive difficult), understand, and speak with a Moscow accent, even though I was born in the US and never stepped foot in Russia, because I lived in a community of people who fled the former USSR after it was illegally dissolved, so everyone around me spoke primarily Russian. I've used it at work with others who speak it natively and invariably was asked where in Russia I grew up, and they were shocked to learn that I grew up in Los Angeles. However, the form of the language I know is frozen at the point where my family left the USSR, so for example I say бутерброд for all forms of sandwiches and don't use сэндвич at all.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 5 days ago (4 children)

    so for example I say бутерброд for all forms of sandwiches and don't use сэндвич at all

    Interesting. So Russian used to use more German loan words and now it has picked up more English ones?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 days ago* (3 children)

    Yeah, there are quite a few examples of that but I can't think of any other ones off the top of my head right now.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    Рюкзак, штаб (or генштаб) and штурм come to mind, at least from the limited vocabulary i've learned so far.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    Yeah, those are good examples. Шлагбаум is another one from German.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

    That is indeed a German loanword but I actually had to look it up because i didn't know what the word meant in German. Apparently it's only used in some regions of Germany. We call it "Schranke" instead in the region where i live.

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