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[–] 16 points 1 week ago (21 children)

I was going to say... Does anyone genuinely believe we're going to see fewer bots by late October? As though we didn't have a bumper crop of them run out of American datacenters?

Does anyone seriously believe "the bots are gone, so I shouldn't accuse anyone on the internet of being a bot anymore"? Or are we going to see the same "Bad Take = Russian NPC" response every time someone with an .ml origin says something that sets a .world local account on tilt?

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  • [–] 15 points 1 week ago (13 children)

    It doesn't actually make sense for Russia to be running their Digital Propaganda agents from Russian IP addresses unless they're trying to make it easy for the likes of Meta and Twitter to just block them.

    I mean, all you have to do is ponder for a few seconds on - "what would I do if I was a propagandist from an adversary nation trying to covertly influence citizens in other nations?". The immediate, obvious thing is "I wouldn't makes it stupidly obvious for the counter-intel people on the other side who owns them by hosting the fucking bots in my own country".

    It makes sense for them to have Command & Control in Russia, but not the actual bots.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Zuck brags that 80% of your friend list will be AI and you think Meta is trying to keep out the bots?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago* (1 child)

    That is a good point.

    It really depends if he's trying to control the narrative (in which case he will want to control the bots) or to just keep people engaged with his products (in which case he doesn't care).

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    I think it depends. It is more about pushing the desired information to the desired profiles.

    Any narrative can be useful to push as long as it is the right type of person to be pushing it to.

    I believe why so many Billie's have gone mask off is because they have had such tremendous success with the granular controls algorithms provide for propaganda, radicalisation and disinformation.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    It doesn't actually make sense for Russia to be running their Digital Propaganda agents from Russian IP addresses

    I would expect they are passing that traffic through a shitton of pwned computers around the world.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    Well if the c&c or individual VPS of the people are down, the bots will run out of tasks eventually no matter where they are hosted from.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago* (4 children)

    It's as likely the C&C for Russian Government Propaganda ops is in Yandex data centers as it is that NSA personnel are working from Amazon data centers.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)
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    I doubt the story of the bots disappearing, but Yandex a) has specifically given control to Russian government, by providing a super-share that doesn't pay dividends but gives the deciding vote, to Sberbank (this kind of share shenanigans are possible under Netherlands' law, where Yandex is incorporated for this very reason); and b) does provide cloud-hosting services the same way as Amazon does. Yandex is generally considered to basically be a government corporation by now, it's one of like three candidates whenever the government decides to introduce some ‘sovereign’ service like Russian analogue of YouTube.

    Arkady Volozh, the surviving cofounder of Yandex, has left Russia over disagreements about the war and the government's control, taking for himself some side business that Yandex was doing abroad, either drones or self-driving cars or something like that. And relocated some 1000 Yandex employees that decided to leave with him.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    You tankies don't need to be called bots, you do that shit all on your own. The fediverse and Lemmy is way to small for russia to give a shit about it. You guys spew tankie shit for free for them.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    The fediverse and Lemmy is way to small for russia to give a shit about it.

    Thats not true

    https://lemmy.world/post/52970113

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    Naa those aren't bots though, that's literally tankies doing that shit.

    Look at the little tankie brigade down voting anything that they don't like when you call them out in a instance they don't control lol

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    I've seen Russian Propaganda pushed to outlets with single digit reach. It's like they're subscribed to Meltwater for niche outlets or something. I wouldn't put it past them to have a guy or two who exclusively earn their paychecks shitposting here.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago

    If you’re a propagandist then there’s value in being active in niche social media networks. It makes you a big fish in a small pond, and if the social network for some reason blows up then you’d be one of the early adopters which will give you more influence. For example Ghislaine Macwell was a moderator on Reddit, but apparently also Voat iirc, which is an obscure Reddit clone that never had a big user base

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