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For everybody commenting: It is a global study. So whatever you want to say about GenZ in your country will be wrong. It really doesn't matter what younger people in Indonesia are thinking when you're talking about Europe or the US.
Study is here:
Well, gosh. This falls right in line with what I've been saying and wondering aloud about things like the Fourth Turning.
The Archie Bunker thing was something boomers stood up to make fun of their parents' generation. That is the kind of thing that all this ginned-up inter-generational warfare that seems largely directed at the boomers (and the Silent Generation and Generation Jones somewhat) seems to miss.
And now we have all these younger "influencers" (barf) doing this kind of thing openly and unironically in the brosphere. The trad wife influencers. And those people and their fans are not the boomers...
You're older than youve ever been and now youre even older. Now youre even older. Now youre older still.
Interesting fact totally ignored by the click-bait headline:
Among women, 18% of gen Z and 6% of baby boomers agreed.
So, among women, support for traditional gender roles tripled.
Those women are about to learn the hard way why women had to fight for their freedom from this oppressive system. Have fun with that domestic violence and financial prison
I imagine it is a "grass is greener" kind of thing.
Social media ‘influencer tradewives’ and the red pill circle are a huge reason both are going up in support, it kind of comes with less critical thinking, education, social and civil rights for women being taught, the works.
Welp, can we pivot to start calling out toxic femininity?
Some part of this is the male influencers, and some part of this is kids being ignorant. But being a straight woman in that age group must really suck.
There is no better proof that one doesn't choose their sexuality than the existence of cisgender heterosexual women. I mean, hell, transgender heterosexual women, good luck to them, holy fuck.
If all us men died on Nov 24 thr world would be a better place.
That fact will never leave me. I honestly hate myself for existing.
I dunno, by that way of thinking there are plenty of ways of dividing up humanity and saying "if all those people died, the world would be a better place" - I don't know how constructive it is, though. There's nothing about being a man that prevents us from being good people, though there may be some things that make it harder
But we seem to always be defined by those bad people
I think I know what you mean. There is a lot of focus and attention being put on the shittier kind of masculinity these days – by some because they hate it, by others because they want to convince the world that it's actually great and the key to unlocking a golden age.
Even though we don't talk about better kinds of masculinity, I think that most people just know intuitively that they exist, though... unless they've just had horrible luck in life.
I don't believe that anymore. At best it seems we can only be 'one of the good ones'
Don't project your self hate onto everyone? If all men died all humans will die, along with many many domesticated species across the world. Does that sound like a "better place"?
I meant to say all the men in the US.
All the men in the US dying would be insanely devastating for the world too. You really don't mean that.
I don't. But I can't stop thinking about it.
The older I get, the more I think that the internet was a mistake. It had a lot of potential for good and has delivered on that in many ways, but it has also unleashed an uncontrollable onslaught of radicalization, hatred, isolation, and mental illness. It's harms have outweighed the good by orders of magnitude.
It’s getting worse too. The amount of people who watch YouTube like TV (on their TVs) instead of regular ass old TV shows is making it to where no one is ever unplugged from the internet. So much of the content people view regularly is steeped in internet drama, or very online stuff like streaming, or politics optimized for the algorithm. TV sucks, but goddamn I think it may be healthier for people to have a break watching Law and Order or something instead of just being entrenched in the internet and internet drama 24/7.
I mean, I watch YouTube all the time, way more than TV these days. Some of that involves politics yes, but mostly it's just pretty innocuous. Science, technology, books, comics, gaming, D&D, sketch comedy, standup, animation, movie reviews, food, cooking, history, etc. By far the most political thing I watch on YouTube is Some More News, and it's admittedly pretty rage inducing sometimes. But most of my viewing is just wholesome, nerdy, and/or makes me hungry. I don't really live by the algorithm though. I primarily watch people I've specifically subscribed to.
Sounds like you have a healthier relationship with YouTube than a lot of people. YouTube really is a microcosm of the internet itself. A place where the innocuous and the poisonous exist side by side, and the difference between the two often coming down to where you let it take you.
I always say
"The Internet is for anyone! ...But it should never have been for everyone."
Lots of things are fine when they are first introduced because we carry our lived experiences into it. But those who grow up with the new thing shaping their lived experience don’t bring that perspective to it.
This is going to be very true for AI.
May they never have wives.
But fr, one of the things I've found interesting is how many men want a partner to the point of distress, but have batshit expectations of her, compared to how many women I've known who casually are interested in having a man but have hard limits as to what they're willing to put up with and would much rather be single than put up with a shitty guy. And in response to this the same men who are functioning as worse than nothing options, are increasingly expecting more and more out of women.
When I look at this as a market problem I come to the opposite conclusion as these young men: that men should consider obeying their wives.
But yeah violent misogyny must be met with feminism with teeth. We will not go back.
We are going back though project 2025 is calling for a removal of no fault divorce, women’s reproductive healthcare is being weaponized, death penalty for abortion bills are being introduced, the EEOC has been gutted, civil rights legislation is being reversed….not looking great for women
But yeah violent misogyny must be met with feminism with teeth. We will not go back.
I don't know: these people seem to be getting a permission structure from the government. Honestly, I've been watching some of this stuff and mostly being quiet about a lot of it, even online.
But if you ask me honestly? I'm terrified about the direction things seem to be going. I've seen lots of unhelpful intergenerational warfare, mostly about boomers and Gen Y taking shots at one another, while my generation (Gen X) is playing the part of the forgotten child, just as we always have. Boomers seem to get blamed for everything in life, but it's not like these other generations don't have any agency!
But I'm very concerned about Gen Z and alpha, and just where they are going. It's possible some of these people may break out of their mind forged manacles and moderate themselves or become more progressive, but that's not how these things tend to work. People tend to drift to the right as they get older, not the other direction. And if they are starting at the trad wife position at such a young age?....yikes.
alpha is already being set up to fail worst than gen z when they all become adults, and gen z is already addictively consuming far right content
There is 1 single problem with this survey: it centers on the average among different parts of a world instead of showing the percentage for each country or region clearly. This actually twists the perception of data, since in some countries religion and traditions are stronger or simply more citizens exist. Moreover, in a single big country like the US each state is a like a separate mini country what also makes data more mixed.
I personally would like to see something like a map of temperatures for each country before judging the situation.
The study has each country listed out. It's just the press releases that don't. The study didn't break out each age cohort for each country. That can be inferred but there are likely a few surprises, and the bias you mention from cultural groups with a larger population
Here's the comment with the study link:
https://mander.xyz/comment/25666102
Here's an example:
thats because they are consuming manosphere media, like j peterson, tucker, shapiro, crowder, owens, TPUSA content, and JOE ROEGAN. almost all of these people are paid by putins inner circle to spread thier manosphere propaganda in order to drum up conservative voter base. its a gateway to supporting trump or far right GOP AGENDAS.
PLUS they are more obsessively on tiktok, or other streaming media than before.
One of my Gen Z colleagues described a conversation they had with their wife wherein she said “you’re my best friend”, and he responded with “I’m not your friend I’m your husband”. I bet that made her feel good.
So, Gen Z males are three times as likely as baby boomers to remain single?