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Buy our new device that you can use like a computer mouse!
But I already have a computer with a mouse...?
The console price, the game price and no oled screen as well as it being so damn big make it a hard pass for me.
Il wait for the Switch 2 Lite OLED.
$450 and not OLED is insane
Honestly I don't see myself getting a switch 2 until its able to be emulated. and I'm buying it and all the games used so I don't have to support Nintendo financially
The only thing "convoluted" about this whole announcement was pricing. The price of the console The price of the games The price of their online services and upgrades...
All of that is gut-wrenching as Nintendo claws at its dedicated fans wallets.
Otherwise the features and games look amazing, i understand why people are willing to pay those prices.
Fingers crossed we luck out with easy jailbreaks and emulators like we did for the Switch 1.
Fingers crossed we luck out with easy jailbreaks and emulators like we did for the Switch 1.
Nintendo won't make this mistake again. But I'm like you, also hoping their security experts are the same dipshits as before so we can resume pirating the entire overpriced Nintendo library.
Nintendo won’t make this mistake again
17th time's the charm
Nintendo continuously makes the easiest to hack and emulate consoles and handhelds. They been fighting emulation for 30 years and still churn out systems that get cracked immediately.
Hell my kids play N64 on my modded Wii. They were playing Mario kart just a few hours ago lmao
youd be suprised. all of Sonys consoles are hackable, despite efforts to stopping it. willing to guess that another SD express exploit will be found, as one was already found late last year, and the switch 2 is one of the devices that uses it.
They've had dumb vulnerabilities in every single console. Given this one is a refresh, it probably won't have some huge unpatchable vuln, but there's always something.
Maybe I’m just getting old, but I was very bored and underwhelmed during the entire presentation even before the terrible pricing reveal. I like the mouse joycons and the Donkey Kong game. That’s about it.
It's not convoluted at all. It's extremely simple: if you want to (edit: legally) play first party Nintendo titles (or other exclusives), you MUST buy a switch. If you don't care about Nintendo exclusives, there's absolutely no reason to own a switch. That has been true of every, single Nintendo console ever released... except for the Wii. People bought a Wii so they could play a motion control game with Grandma once or twice, and then just let the console sit and collect dust.
When the Switch 1 released there was nothing else on the market like it. Play handheld on the bus, get home, dock it, continue playing in full HD. That is amazing. I didn't get the Switch 1 because of the exclusives, it was the versatility that got me.
People bought a Wii so they could play a motion control game with Grandma once or twice
I'd give up everything just to do this...
Yuzu would like to have a word
I don't blame them. Nintendo fans buy anything at any price. I don't see it being different this time.
Mario Kart 8 never goes on sale and sold 70m copies; Pokémon Scarlet/Violet sold 30m despite looking and playing like dogshit; they sold Skyward Sword HD, the remaster of a 10-yo game, at full price and still placed a few millions.
Nintendo is basically like Apple at this point, the brand is enough to convince people to spend more than they would for the competition, regardless of quality. I personally know a lot of people who loudly groaned/complained at the price announcement, but will still buy it day one, just like they always had in all these years.
And people terminally online should stop pretending the Steam Deck is competition to the Switch 2. It couldn't even compete with the Switch 1, which was five years older, had worse performance, and had been easily emulated for years at that point.
Nintendo fans buy anything at any price.
Counterpoints: Wii U. 3DS at launch.
You're not wrong, Nintendo fans will buy this. As a Nintendo fan, I will buy this - though, it's gone from a Day 1, no-brainer purchase to "when I can justify the expense" - but Nintendo fans make up a small fraction of people who bought a Switch 1.
See: Wii U, 3DS
The Wii and DS printed money, and they assumed most of those users would move on to the new hardware. They did not. They had to slash the 3DS price within months, and nothing saved the Wii U.
But $450 does feels like the upper limit cost of something you give a child, and if you're charging me Real Console money for this then I kinda expect to be treated like an adult.
It is a Real Console. Today's big showpiece was fucking Bloodborne 2 and some people still can't get out of their bubble where they think it's a children's toy.
Nintendo launched the first Switch at $299; just accounting for inflation over the past years - that’s ~$390 now, BEFORE even trying to account for any Trump-tariffs they have been (or will be) imposed on electronics hardware.
I hate to give Nintendo credit, but $450 is actually somewhat reasonable given the current global shit-show.
I think most people are more upset about Nintendo pushing an $80 price tag for first party games. TotK put a bad taste in a lot of peoples' mouths, but it was both a technical marvel and highly anticipated. People were beyond hyped about the game years before we learned about the increased price.
Mario Kart World was announced out of the blue, and while it looks like a ton of fun, it's not the same kind of 'I would be disappointed if I didn't play it before I died' as TotK. So a further bump in price for it just feels awful.
It's not just the console prices that have gone up. Console is, 470 euros, Mario Kart is 90 euros, Pro Controller 2 is 90 euros, the SD card is 60 euros, a webcam is 60 euros...
Meanwhile, their competition is getting cheaper every day.
Almost like they base prices on actual financial accounting and not the feelings of gamers.
Of course any economist will tell you economics is part psychology and sociology because humans aren't rational actors, but it evens out at these large scales, and they have to start somewhere.
Nintendo deliberately exited the Real Console wars after the Gamecube. This is an interesting time for them to decide to re-join it.
Best time to buy Nintendo hardware is after the announcement of a hardware exploit.
I feel like Nintendo missed the mark on this. I dont need or really want 4k. Are 4k tvs even common? My dad has one but I don't nor do i know anyone other than him with one.
while i prefer cheaper (obviously) 450 for a console isn't insane to me. The price of games hurts more though.
The biggest letdown for me though is the battery life being 2-6 hours while the switch1 was 4-9 I think.
They had me on the fence until I read that. I mainly play handheld mode and that sucks and there's a good chance ill go for a steam deck over switch 2, at least until hopefully a cheaper or longer living option comes along.
IIRC it was only later models that were 4-9 hrs. Release model got 3-5 I think?
They switched (heh) production in later hardware revisions to a more efficient version of the CPU, manufactured with lower nm process. Conveniently it was also to stop easy access to debug pins which were exposed in the OG version, giving easy access to entire system
I was about to say, I never got more than 3-4 on the one I own. You refreshed my memory. It also had an OLED screen on the updated hardware.
The game pricing argument goes back and forth for me. Yes, on paper, you could say that inflation suggests games should go up in price, especially considering how many more developers are needed to put out high-fidelity games. BUT, on the other hand, the minimum wage has not raised significantly in all of that time. As a result, a significant number of gamers genuinely can't pay more for games than they could 20+ years ago. The reason these larger studios exist is because of gaming's expanded reach in that time; and many of these new target territories similarly can't pay for the equivalent of $80USD.
There's maybe only about 1-2 games I've ever even paid the $70 price tag for.
I agree, sales are constant (at least on PC) so I almost never even paid the $60 price tag. They can keep cranking up the prices but more and more people may just wait for sales. I know Nintendo games don't go on sale very often but that makes the ecosystem even less attractive. $450 is in the range of a Steam deck.
Inflation or not, prices can only go up if the market will support them. If people are unable (or unwilling) to pay the higher prices, then prices basically can't go up.