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US Considers Withdrawing One of Its Military Bases in Spain As "Punishment" for Its Non-Cooperation in Iran War | naked capitalism (www.nakedcapitalism.com)
submitted 6 months ago by to c/genzedong@lemmygrad.ml
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[–] 46 points 6 months ago (4 children)

I think the US is calling the base withdrawal a "punishment" to save public face when really it's probably Spain kicking out them. Similar to how Trump made big talk about bringing Iran to the stone age to make it look like Iran surrendered when it was the other way around to anyone with actually the ability to read.

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  • [–] [S] 27 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Could be. Regardless, it looks worse to frame it this way considering what happened to the gulf monarchies. Hosting US terrorist troops only makes you a legitimate target.

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    In the case of the gulf states, I do think they (their ruling class) actually do need US bases since there is a very strong risk they would overthrown by anti-zionists and pan-arab nationalists if they expanded their own militaries beyond being a private security force made up of mercenaries. Their absolute domestic power comes at the cost of being unable to empower and trust their own citizens in any way and having to be puppets to a foreign power.

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  • [–] [S] 15 points 6 months ago*

    I share the same view, i feel like they wouldn't last 3 years without US weapons. Some of the monarchies are basically entirely populated by expats, UAE is like 90% expats and migrant workers from south asia.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago

    Woah woah woah! They trust their citizens! It's just that 40% of their population is imported slave labor!

    Saudis are the most phrenology-pilled pieces of shit I've ever interacted with. Had a group project with a guy in college who said your last name shows how closely related you are to royalty and that determines whether you get respect from someone or not.

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    • [–] 38 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    So like absolute win for Spain then?

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago* (3 children)

    The reality is more nuanced. Even fashgirl Giorgia Meloni (Italy) is rejecting US access to bases on Italian soil. I suppose the war is so unpopular that all who support it automatically fail domestically.

    On the other hand, I expect master magician Pedro Sánchez to reject US aggression and simultaneously buy American weapons which, inexplicably, will end up in Naziyahu's hands.

    The Pedro has a lot of positive international reputation right now, but here on Lemmy we approach the world dialectically. That is, we don't buy lib bullshit. Sánchez's moves are super lib at the core. Do 1 lefty thing and 2 righty things.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    Right now, Giorgia Meloni has just lost a referendum and is facing trouble because one of her ministers has been linked to a former journalist who released interviews about their relationship. Consequently, she is seeking ways to regain approval from citizens, as her coalition has been bruised and polls indicate a tightening race against a unified opposition.

    Edit. Fixed some facts.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago

    Exactly. Losing the justice referendum, whose real objective was to modify the 1948 antifascist constitution, was Meloni's 1st hard slap on her face.

    The fash are losing globally, at least in terms of public perception. Never held any legitimacy and now even less.

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    • [–] [S] 22 points 6 months ago*

    So in one side you gain massive popular support for condemning the US terrorist attacks, and in the other side you also get your occupier to retire it's troops from your territory? In the other hand, collaborating rewards you with even more occupying forces? Lmao

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    [–] 14 points 6 months ago

    Yes please. ¡OTAN no, bases fuera!

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    [–] 9 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Dear mister Tromp, let me answer your kind offer thus:

    Cojan sus cosas y váyanse a tomar por culo.

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    • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    I'm glad Trump is learning Spanish so he can run for president of Venezuela, and read many of the comments that his threat (promise) is receiving.

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    [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    Make it all.

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    [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    a "punishment"...sounds like an unexpected blessing

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