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[–] 297 points 4 months ago* (13 children)

Now it's an international matter of national security. Let's go world, time to de-americanize your tech.

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  • [–] 134 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    Yes, but, from the article: ”GrapheneOS also says governments and banks are increasingly adopting these verification systems for things like payments, digital ID apps, and age verification services.

    “Instead of governments stopping Apple and Google from engaging in egregiously anti-competitive behavior, they’re directly participating in locking out competition via their own services,” Graphene said."

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  • [–] 65 points 4 months ago* (5 children)

    Exactly, it's not only about fighting Google, it's also about setting a better, more open standard for the rest of the market.

    Recently my bank has rolled out a new mobile app now relying on Google wallet for NFC payment. I was able to use NFC payment on GrapheneOS on the old app, I can't on the new one. The online banking stuff still works (for now) but no more mobile payment for me. I didn't sign a fucking contract with Google, why would I hand over my payment data to them !

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago

    I just made the switch to Graphene a few days ago and I found it fitting that my government's digital id app couldn't be installed on my phone anymore. Oh well.

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    [–] 127 points 4 months ago (17 children)

    Please consider donating to PostmarketOS to build up a pure mobile Linux alternative that is completely free of Google's influence. It's the best long-term option we have.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (14 children)

    How does this compare to Graphene? You can also be Google free using it

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  • [–] 66 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    GrapheneOS is great, and it's what I currently use, but it is ultimately a hardened Android fork. One downside of that is it is completely reliant on manufacturer updates to continue to support a phone. Once a manufacturer drops support, the Graphene team must also drop support, as they are reliant on the closed source GPU/hardware drivers that are tied to specific android kernel versions.

    PostmarketOS is not based on Android whatsoever, it's a Mobile focused Linux distro using the mainline Linux kernel. It uses open-source drivers for the GPU and hardware which can be maintained and supported for decades, and is completely independent of Google's influence. However, it's still currently rough enough around the edges that it isn't ready as a daily driver, which is why it'd be so helpful for us to donate to it so they can hire more developers to polish it up, as they recently did to improve the audio support of Qualcomm devices.

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  • [–] 20 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    Graphene is Pixel only and aims for privacy and security.

    PMOS aims to bring Linux to the maximum amount of devices (phones, Chromebooks, tablets, QEMU) to give them a life beyond the manufacturer's support.

    I would compare PMOS to LineageOS over Graphene.

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    [–] 105 points 4 months ago* (18 children)

    Maybe the EU can slap some fines on that? It's anti competitive and against the DMA i assume

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  • [–] 50 points 4 months ago (13 children)

    The EU can fine them for things like this but it won't make much difference. To provoke long term change, we need a way to block them from our countries and that's impossible.

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    [–] 104 points 4 months ago (11 children)

    That’s an American thing, not just Google. They only believe in a free market when it’s their products and services. Theft is fine as long as it’s only them.

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  • [–] 73 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    The current US government is strongly in favor of corporations screwing over individuals, so we aren't likely to get any help there. The EU and China are the only organizations that might be able to intervene. Unfortunately, they both seem more interested in the surveillance opportunities than in the good of their citizens.

    We seem to be heading toward a two-tiered internet. One that will be accessible to everyone, but will be limited in terms of commerce and possibly content. One that will only be accessible to people who are willing to give up their privacy. That might actually turn out to be a good thing. Buying from the corporations could easily end up limited to the later group, which would encourage more people to shift their buying to other sources.

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago*

    I completely agree.

    ...and as soon as OpenNIC takes their SSL/TLS Cert generator out of experimental and into something stable - we can start.

    Privacy concerned people can start to rebuild the internet based on the original principles of "sharing information and ideas", rather than " maximizing engagement ".

    edit: a word

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    [–] 49 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I hope every de-googled os goes completely open source supportive. And i hope people choose these os's over google or any other closed source/centralized company

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    [–] 35 points 4 months ago*

    Well, yeah, we're well into the stage where it's not quality that sells Google products and services.

    This is the Pillaging Stage of Google's business: as they screw both customers and users (Google's customers aren't their users) for short term "growth" they can only hold market share by taking advantage of market barriers to entry, networking effects and their current market share to force both customers and users to keep on using Google products and services.

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  • [–] 33 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    The irony of having this in the middle of the article

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    [–] 31 points 4 months ago

    I'm not sure if "rival" is the right term. Seems like Google would be very happy to be a monopoly.

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  • [–] 26 points 4 months ago (17 children)

    Most people don't care.

    Hell I'm even the "weird one" only because I tend to use FOSS options when I can.

    Who the hell would use YouTube over NewPipe??

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago*

    Brothers in arms mate. I use FOSS whenever absolutely possible. I hear about a new type of service, and my first criteria before evaluating it is, can I run it as FOSS? If the answer to that question is no, then I immediately reject that new service until I can use it in a FOSS manner. Do not pass go. Do not collect one Monero.

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    [–] 25 points 4 months ago

    The duopoly keeps on adding more barriers to new entrants while alleging other reasons. Not surprised.

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  • [–] 22 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Google and the Open Web

    1. Embrace

    2. Extend

    3. Extinguish <-- we're here

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    [–] 20 points 4 months ago

    European institutions and apps should be banned from employing reCAPTCHA, Google's Play Integrity API and Apple's App Test API, if this is how they are to function. At the same time, Apple and Google need to be sanctioned for this approach, as I am certain that it violates fair competition laws.

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  • [–] 19 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Im just waiting for somebody to make a plan for resistance. So far the best I have seen is going to the doorsteps of google to cry and beg them to stop.

    thats not my cup of tea

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Graphene OS need to develop their own app store.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    They do have their own App Store, it’s just only got like… 14 apps in it. Mostly just the stuff they’ve made them selves that they’re super confident in the security of, as well as a couple of other app stores like Accrescent

    To start allowing submissions of any third party app to it would ether require them to do a ton of vetting to ensure it meets their standards, or for them to drop the standards for security and privacy for it. If you want more than that handful of defaults, Accrescent and the google play mirror are there ready to be installed

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    [–] 10 points 4 months ago

    Time to branch out, get more manufacturer support like Motorola and champion the consumer. C'mon graphene throw us a bone.

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