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[–] 28 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

I'm pretty sure that Parenti hated anarchists ... but I would unironically rather read a book by someone who hates me than an unrepentant Epstein affiliate. (And also, Chomsky would also hate me because even with the most charitable reading, he's a turbolib wearing a skin suit sewn from the hide of an anarcho-syndicalist.)

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  • [–] 20 points 4 months ago

    I would unironically rather read a book by someone who hates me than an unrepentant Epstein affiliate

    Parenti has his own skeletons, like his staunch defense of Serbian genocidal fascists. Something he has in common with Chomsky.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago (13 children)

    What's wrong with Manufacturing Consent ? I found it very insightful on how the US has been doing all kinds of shit that they keep accusing everyone else of. It's also helpful in recognising the same patterns in other media and other countries.

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  • [–] 26 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Chomsky is paid opposition, to deliver a softer message. He was also friend with Epstein.

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    And Chomsky admitted that he didn't have much of a hand in writing it either

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    wait hang on, i thought we were discrediting the book

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Genuine question, what is the evidence that he was paid opposition?

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    They're not saying anything is wrong with it, just that there's even better stuff. Insert "look what they need to mimic a fraction of our power" meme.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (46 children)

    An international (English speaking) socialist Lemmy community free of the “ML” influence

    Really free of ML influence?

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    Meh. Just because a ML said it doesn't mean it's wrong. I.e., anarchists can still read Marxist or even ML literature as long as we read it critically, with care for the statist cognitive biases inherent in their foundations.

    Also... the thought of Deceptichum in particular being is a secret ML is absolutely fucking hilarious 😆. Like nah, wrong user.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Also… the thought of Deceptichum in particular being is a secret ML is absolutely fucking hilarious 😆. Like nah, wrong user.

    Yeah not saying that. Just motivating people to read tankie literature in a community that claims to be not influenced by ML is worth pointing out to me.

    Just because a ML said it doesn’t mean it’s wrong. I.e., anarchists can still read Marxist or even ML literature as long as we read it critically, with care for the statist cognitive biases inherent in their foundations.

    Agree on the first part. Second part is IMO missing fron the meme.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago* (42 children)

    pretty sure tankies in threadiverse have nothing to do with ML theory.
    I lean black simply because I am aware disabilities persist, and vanguarding is required until we are all reenabled. Until we are all empowered, none are.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (24 children)

    vanguarding is required until we are all reenabled

    I mean I'm autistic and I don't need nor want a vanguard. Hierarchical power structures like vanguards are especially dangerous for people like me, because they provide a positive feedback mechanism for people already at the top of the power dynamic. And it kinda doesn't sit right to me that my existence as an autistic person, my disability, is why we "need" a vanguard party. Maybe I'm missing something?

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (23 children)

    Disabilities≢disorders.
    Explain to me how can I empower people with paraplegia, comatose, dys/agraphia, dys/apraxia, amputation, aphasia, dysarthria, agnosia, etc..

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (22 children)

    Disabilities≢disorders.

    Autism is absolutely a disability by any reasonable definition of disability. (ASAN is autistic self-advocacy, i.e. these are autistic people speaking about our lived experience.)

    Explain to me how can I empower people with paraplegia, comatose, dys/agraphia, dys/apraxia, amputation, aphasia, dysarthria, agnosia, etc.

    We would have to ask them (or for the comatose person, whomever is responsible for their medical decisions) for what they need to be included in the community, and then act on it. In general, we can apply the same anarchist principles of freedom, horizontalness, non-domination, continuous consent, dignity, and inclusivity to our projects.

    Like I'm not saying to never look out for anyone ever. Of course, we sometimes do need to stand up for people to defend them when they're down. I'm pushing back against vanguardism, the Leninist institutionalization of professional "revolution" that never seems to morph into communism as promised.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (16 children)

    pretty sure tankies in threadiverse have nothing to do with ML theory.

    I disagree. Many share important ideological things such as democratic centralism and many use the same talking points offline MLs use to defend their favorite states. In practice they also always seem to fall back to ML approaches when asked about what to do.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    I'm pretty sure tankies in threadiverse haven't read any theory ml or otherwise

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Damn, I'm having an identity crisis. Am I a dogmatist who reads theory and blindly accepts everything I read, or do I not read theory at all 🤔

    Do you actually have any reason for thinking that we don't read theory, btw, or is this just another case of, "They're bad anyway so it's fine to just make up whatever about them?"

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    Porque no los dos?

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    Both books can be valuable.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    Got links? I only knew those as communities on lemmy I see passing by on all, there's things to read?

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

    Link to Inventing Reality by Parenti - Didnt read it, so dont know how useful it actually is. Maybe someone could post their key takeaways

    Link to Manufacturing Consent by Herman and Chomsky - Didnt read it, but once watched a pretty animation on YT that hopefully explained the mechanism well. Be aware that Chomsky has been in contact with Epstein, as far as I am aware decades after the book got first published.

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