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Israel probably doesn't need a tribunal. Not because they didn't commit war crimes or anything like that, but because this tribunal exists for one very specific reason.
When you read "Nuremberg-style tribunal" you probably thought "crimes so bad they had to create a new court for them" but that's not really the case. Because after the Nuremberg trials the international community set up the international courts in The Hague to deal with crimes against humanity. Unfortunately they made a mistake. They forgot to include one crime in the jurisdiction of the courts. So, to prosecute this specific crime they need an additional court, while all other crimes will be judged by the existing ICC and ICJ.
The crime in question is "aggression", basically the "crime of starting a war without provocation". And that's a lot easier to prove for Russia than for Israel, where the conflict includes other parties that also acted militarily.
And the US..
There is pretty much zero chance of Israel losing or collapsing any time soon, so probably not. A country needs to be thoroughly defeated for Nuremberg style trials to happen.
Until the capital of russia is captured and leaders of regime captured as PoW the possible tribunal will worth same as previous international court rulings
Yes, but diplomatically the commitment itself is a big deal.
So now the easiest step left to actually capture people responsible for military aggression and local genocides to bring them to justice
If you look at Yugoslavia and Slobodan Milošević and Ratko Mladić, it can work without a full capture of the aggressor. Lets hope it goes somewhat like back then.
For everyone wondering: It makes sense to host suche a tribunal in a country outside of Russia. Yes, it only makes sense if the regime falls. When the regime falls, it offers the ability to get rid of the old guard of the old regime. You do not need to deal with him yourself and a trial in Russia will not galvanize his remaining supporters against you. You will also not have the old guard still in the background trying to sabotage you. Arrest them, send them to the netherlands and they will manage the rest.
This is coming from the same guy - Jette - who promised during the election to build 10 new cities. In reality, no one can buy an electric stove or heat pump anymore because the infrastructure is at capacity. The same guy that introduced kilometer charge for trucks so they should go electric. Except it takes between 5 and 6 years!!! for a trucking company to get a single charger installed.
But no... Nuremberg style trial in the Netherlands that is never, ever going to take place, that is important. No wonder my birth country is fucked. It started with Rutte: Trump's fleshlight.
If you want a 'start', I think it's Lubbers. Privatised a ton of shit, which continued later on with child subsidy being cut down on, and privatisation of stuff in the Illness Law.
The bullet always comes from the right-wing oligarchs.
Trump will put everybody involved on a list to protect his Russian buddies.
Trump is already on a list the creepy fucking degenerate.
Russia has a full list of tu quoque arguments. What are they going to do about it?
The charter did not recognize a tu quoque defense—asking for exoneration on the grounds that the Allies had committed the same crimes with which the defendants were charged.
Fleet admiral Chester W. Nimitz testified that the United States Navy had also used unrestricted submarine warfare against Japan in the Pacific; Dönitz's counsel successfully argued that this meant that it could not be a crime.[183][184] The judges barred most evidence on Allied misdeeds from being heard in court.
The obvious answer is for the law to apply equally to each party. I'd be utterly fine with America paying for its past crimes.
Why Nederland? Kyiv would be a more logical place.
It's not the ICC (by the UN) who has jurisdiction, but a special tribunal by the Council of Europe. It just "happens" to be located in The Hague too.
These kinds of things happen at the Hague generally
As, of course, it's tradition.
Logically it would be Saint Petersburg if it should mirror the Nuremberg trials.
Rostov, cause it's where the Yanukovich fled in 2014, after which russia started the war. Would be a symbolism that they surely wouldn't miss.