this post was submitted on 07 Apr 2025
562 points (99.6% liked)

News

28860 readers
4084 users here now

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil


Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.


2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.


Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.


3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.


Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.


4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.


Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.


5. Only recent news is allowed.


Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.


6. All posts must be news articles.


No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.


7. No duplicate posts.


If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.


8. Misinformation is prohibited.


Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.


9. No link shorteners.


The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.


10. Don't copy entire article in your post body


For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

In 50 years, history will speak about ICE the way we speak about the SS now.

https://archive.ph/tLGoe

all 49 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 204 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Many of us have been comparing ICE and the SS since it's inception alongside the Department of Homeland Security post-9/11.

9/11 ended up being way more successful than Osama Bin Laden could ever have imagined. It just took an extra 25 years for the Republican party to destroy the country from within like he wanted.

[–] aramis87@fedia.io 91 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Department of Homeland Security

This is something that's always chilled me since they created it. To me, "Homeland" always had that echo of Nazi Germany's "Fatherland".

[–] KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Fatherland is still used in many countries/languages, hell even polish uses "Ojczyzna".

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There’s a German furniture store in operation today called Lebensraum, which absolutely gutted me when I first saw it, but it also just means habitat/living space.

[–] KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

What's the other interpretation? I just see living-room

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

It is to nazism, what manifest destiny is to American imperialism

[–] bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's a Nazi rhetoric term for displacing Slavs and taking their living space

[–] KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 week ago

I see, that makes it a lot worse

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

In the same creepy category, the Department of Defense used to be called the Department of War until 1947. Wouldn't be surprised if they switched back soon.

[–] aramis87@fedia.io 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They won't. They switched it because it's easy to justify spending any amount of money on "defending" yourself. If they switched it back, it would cost them some support.

[–] dalekcaan@lemm.ee 9 points 2 weeks ago

Yup, euphemistic language is preferred. It's all very Orwellian. Soon the Supreme Court will be the Department of Truth.

[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"Department of Homeland Security" is almost as oxymoronic as "Military Intelligence" or "Department of Justice"

[–] Hansae@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

How is military intelligence oxymoronic?

[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Have you ever met anyone in active duty? Every single marine is fueled by a six pack of Monster, punching each other in the dicks for fun, and eating crayons for lunch.

[–] Hansae@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I have actually, even talked in depth with a few at a country fayre after the recruiter had pissed off along with on several RAF & Army bases the actual soldiers are generally quite intelligent and those working in SIGINT are often very intellignet.

[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yet they're still tricked into bombing brown kids over a WMD lie or for the religious act of patriotism. Doesn't sound very intelligent to me, it's like saying Oxford/Harvard educated math nerds making millions trading in high finance are smart because they think mathematical models of reality are more accurate than reality itself.

[–] Hansae@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"Muh Palestine" I don't really care, what was done in GWOT was wrong but given the world is now heating up I fully support increasing defence spending to protect the nation from potentially hostile powers which could at this stage potentially include the USA.

[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thanks for proving my point with such an "intelligent" take.

[–] Hansae@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 1 week ago

You didnt really have a point, just a very mediocre attempt at trying to shit on the military.

Wikipedia recently added DHS to the list of Secret Police organizations. 👀

[–] aramis87@fedia.io 112 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

They're deporting non-citizens without due process, which means that anyone can be deported. All they have to do is claim they thought someone wasn't a citizen, at which point there's no due process for you to prove that you are.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 44 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

What surprises me most about this encounter is that ICE actually backed off when they saw the guy's proof of citizenship. It means they actually feared punishment for getting it wrong.

And I will remind everyone who has any melanin at all to get a Passport Card. That's what this guy likely had, and it was the best $30 he ever spent. Get yours now, before they get DOGEd.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

For now. I fully expect them to start saying "this is fake" and confiscating it and arresting you, regardless of its actual validity.

And this is the issue with the people saying “only citizens deserve due process”… If you don’t get due process, how are you supposed to prove you’re a citizen?

I assume they were hired before this administration. Those hired by the current administrarion would be a lot worse.

[–] IamSparticles@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 weeks ago

Things may already be getting iffy at the state department. My wife and I both put in passport renewal requests on the same day in February. She got her new passport in the mail about 2 weeks later. Mine took another 6 weeks.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I heard there are a bunch of illegals near 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Lets get a Militia to perform citizen's arrest and then ship them to Iran.

Then we declare Morgan Freeman to become the acting president.

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Morgan Freeman is a conservative who might very well have voted for Trump.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Its a joke referring to London Has Fallen where the president was take hostage, and Morgan Freeman was VP.

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago

Oh, I think I might have seen that back in the day.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 52 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Innocent until proven brown

[–] Hideakikarate@sh.itjust.works 27 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I think the opposite is more accurate.

[–] dumbluck@midwest.social 21 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

So, "Guilty until proven white"?

[–] Hideakikarate@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 weeks ago

Unfortunately.

[–] scintilla@lemm.ee 6 points 2 weeks ago

Thank you I was trying to figure out how guilty until proven brown worked in this situation.

[–] Meron35@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Brown until proven white

[–] notsure@fedia.io 13 points 2 weeks ago

i hate myself for upvoting you

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Brown until proven white and rich.

[–] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And even then Im white but Im Mexican born. My brother and I are currently figuring out what we do if we get deported as I lived in Mexico for a few months before being naturalized in the USA.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I’m sorry you’re dealing with this.

As am I. I took Latin in school. Mi Espanol es muy malo pero yo entendiendo mas de me hablar?

[–] CptCosmicMoron@lemmy.ca 37 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Obviously this is incredibly racist. They are just going after non whites, predominantly Latino and Asian, because they are not white. It's 100% racism.

[–] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They are deporting and detaining Europeans too. It’s racism and non-race based xenophobia all at the same time.

[–] Ziro427@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

So would it be a good idea or bad idea to speak in some kind of European accent whenever one is dealing with these people, if one is trying to emigrate anyway?

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 27 points 2 weeks ago

"Mistakenly"

[–] notsure@fedia.io 8 points 2 weeks ago

...he's a traitor...take him in...when the records disappear...just a small sin....ffs

At this point, we should be saying "alleged US citizen" and drop the "mistakenly."

No American should consider themselves as citizens anymore. With the ignoring of court orders and the disregard for due process, nobody is safe.