Many of these people in US concentration camps are catholic. The thing that's crazy is how many insane catholics like JD Vance are cheering this on.
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Vance is part of a specific far right hyperpolitical faction of Catholics that he adopted via his patron Thiel.
He's as Catholic as Trump is born-again evangelical. They are just pandering
There are a lot of people who wear the label catholic because they always have, not because they identify with other catholics or believe that the pope is the earthly voice of god.
JD Vance is a fascist white supremacist who happens to be catholic. The fascism and white supremacy being more important to him than the catholicism...
If the catholic church somehow turns into a force for good this century that would be awesome. Its weird to think they might be the adults in the room in a lot of cases.
The church is large and complex and run by many different people. It has been a force for good and evil all along.
The catholic church has been a considerable "force for good" for centuries. Whether or not the bad they do outweighs that is a question of how much value you assign to the bad things they do and how much credit you give them for good intentions.
Sure, they're anti-abortion and implicitly sexist, but they're also pro-mercy, anti-war, anti-death-penalty, and possibly the most pro-science of all theistic churches. Bishops in the USA are obnoxious right-wing partisans, but in other countries they're firmly in the local center or on the bleeding edge of the local left. (There's a reason why the first American-born pop wasn't a working priest in the USA.)
I have no idea what you’re basing this comment on.
The sins of the catholic church are many and global and as large and unforgivable as their wealth and reach and history:
From the very beginning they were antithetical to plurality - soon as they got power first order of business was the destruction of classical Hellenistic learning centres.
Then crusades, inquisitions, colonialism and forced conversions, complicit in slavery, the witch trials, and interference with politics all over the world.
Opposition to human rights, anti-science (dark ages anyone), support for dictatorships, residential school systems targeting indigenous children, and the ongoing sexual abuse crisis with institutional cover-ups.
And their worst crime of the modern era: their response to the AIDS crisis in the 1980s.
Strict opposition to condom use (in fact actively lobbied against condom distribution and sex education) even as HIV/AIDS spread globally - particularly devastating in heavily Catholic regions like sub-Saharan Africa, the Philippines, and Latin America where the Church wielded significant influence over public health policy (as they still do). Millions of infections and deaths directly attributed to this crime against humanity.
But yes, “force for good”.
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Its most likely the bias I have from only knowing Americas Catholicism then. Thanks for the info!
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This is where we find out which faith is stronger, organized religion or the MAGA cult.
They would deport Jesus if he came back, so I'm pretty sure I know the answer to this one
The MAGA nuts are Christian nationalist protestants. They think the Pope is the antichrist (literally many of them do).
Mormons too, they’ve been screeching about Armageddon and the antichrist since we elected that black fellow
Which is complete bullshit, a long standing tenant of the Mormon faith was to “follow the laws of the land” but once we started actually making some social progress they started forgetting that more and more and more.
The whispered part of that is that members should run for office; that way they have the power to make laws conform to their ideology. I was surprised by the number of Mormons in Congress. They’re pretty over-represented for the population they represent.
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Yet many Catholics voted in line with the MAGA nuts, purely on abortion. The American Catholic Church has turned abortion into its defining political litmus test. Hopefully this new Pope can convince American bishops that there are other issues worth their attention.
Besides, the folks who run the US right now always need an enemy. Once they run through the immigrants, and LGBT people, who's next? It's entirely possible these christofascists start ostracizing Catholics. They never liked them anyway, they just liked their votes, and they probably think they won't need votes anymore to keep in power.
My fucking parents voted for this asshole because of abortion. I yell at them about how many these fascists have already killed. Stopping aids aid from USAID alone is going to kill thousands (millions?).
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Western Christians haven't cared about their religion for at least a century, probably more. Bets on MAGA.
If you're following Maga you've long since started zany rationalization of your Christianity. Trump is an absolute caricature of the anti-christ incarnate. It's absolutely laughable. This will not break the hippocrates.
I think you mean hypocrites but I do believe Hippocrates would shit himself if he could see what we've done to democracy.
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The Pope isn't the American Christian icon you'd think. JFK was Catholic and it was a big deal.
American Christianity is dozens and dozens of sects and styles and flavors. Overall they roughly disrespect and respect the Pope about the same, he's irrelevant really.
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It's literally in their Bible... This should just be standard. Not special.
Bible is like the Constitution. Some people don't read it.
Bible is like the Constitution. Some people don’t read it.
People only read what they want to take out of anything. Scientific reports, government policies, laws, philosophical essays, books, etc.
Saw it happen all the time. I use to work at the court house that was open to serve the public. We had at least 2 different signs that said "We are not City Hall. We do not do driver's license, birth certificates, passports, etc.." Without fail, people would walk in and still ask about City Hall Services. People looked at the sign and saw Driver's License, assumed that's what we did.
Because they'd be atheists if they actually did. The ones who read it and stay Christians are just sociopaths.
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Yep. Also Catholic official "recommended ideology of state" was distributivism last time I checked, which is something of a holy mix (can't be unholy mix in this situation) between anarcho-capitalism and anarcho-syndicalism with a conservative touch.
It has its downsides, but the upsides are that limiting immigration, legal inequality, racism and fascism are in theory not allowed there.
(Just in case someone thinks Peter Thiel and such people's ideas are what Catholic church recommends, and they surely want to make such an impression, - no.)
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Jesus’ family were supposedly immigrants and asylum seekers. Priests should step up. So should real christians.
Another argument for renaming the "No True Scotsman" fallacy to "No True Christian" to make it more self-explanatory.
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Yeah and if prayer worked we wouldn't need hospitals.
Many hospitals are also run by the church. Catholics believe in science - all recent popes say evolution is fact.
Catholics believe in some science. Their stances on abortion for instance are extremely barbaric.
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What exactly is your take here lmao. The headline says nothing about prayer. It calls for actual physical action that is likely to positively impact outcomes for at least some immigrants. I personally consider this to be a huge net good, as it speaks respect and love for immigrants with a voice that a not-insignificant number of conservatives are willing to hear from. Did you just see the word "catholic" and wanna dunk on Christians?
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It's not 2014 anymore
I honestly can't see the point you're trying to make.
ICE won't care. They'll be fine with arresting and abusing priests, as well.
You ever notice how ICE is always turning up these "dangerous criminals and lazy bums" at Immigration hearings and job sites?
It'd be better if Pope Leo deputized and trained additional Vatican Guards and deployed them at various locations. Also a priest.
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😂 🤣
'People of Faith Stand with Immigrants'
Yeah, I don't think "people of faith", at least the more conservative ones, are going to be taking that lesson very seriously... Good luck changing their mindset.
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Evangelicals are not, but there are progressives within the ranks of christianity. The actual message of the new testament is down right socialist.
Jesus died a pacifistic anarchist at the very least
Pacifist yes — definitely not an anarchist. He instructed his followers to obey all laws in all situations that didn’t conflict with loving God and loving other people. However, he despised “tradition” and flaunted it constantly.
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yeah, right. not like the pope knows anything about religion. /s
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