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[–] 230 points 1 month ago (26 children)

This is awesome to hear. But the fact that they had to do this after the fact tells you all you need to know about how stupid and poorly thought out to these laws are.

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    [–] 86 points 1 month ago (17 children)

    Surely systemd is going to roll back Dylan's change, right?

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (14 children)

    Can you explain in detail, what exactly that change did?

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  • [–] 52 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    They added a voluntary field for date of birth. Very controversial. Not at all like the address field that had been there for years or realname. Those are completely uncontroversial somehow. Unfortunately it got added during all this uncertainty with all the user I'd government overreach. And people lost their everloving minds claiming it was some sinister forced Id check. It was not. But all the craze around it launched tens of already dead systemD forks.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (3 children)

    Worth mentioning that California's and Brazil's age verification laws were cited as a motivating factor in the pull request, the pull request author merger works for Microsoft and the author also did similar pull requests in other open source projects.

    Edit: it was the PR merger that works for Microsoft, not the PR author.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago

    the pull request author works for Microsoft and he also did similar pull requests in a other open source projects.

    So he made several mistakes as part of a co-ordinated jumping the gun on boot throating, AND he's getting paid to make open source software worse?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    Well, yeah, because they added it because of the law. That's not speculation, they said that's why they did. I agree, if it was there before it wouldn't have been out of place, I totally get you, but they said that it's something they should add because it might be required by law in the future.

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    [–] 66 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (20 children)

    This is fucking BAD you guys. Like, we’re being dog walked into a fucking wall here.

    Major Big Tech companies (and their Fortune 500 partners, and the smaller businesses they support) are ALL going to be asking for age verification for all their SaaS “cloud” offerings and be required to do so by law.

    If Linux is exempt from these laws then these services which we may all still be dependent on in some form or another will not work with Linux, since it doesn’t verify age.

    You won’t be able to bank or watch Netflix on Linux anymore and it will destroy adoption just as it’s going mainstream.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    The law requires the OS to ask the age and provide it to applications, not verify the age. Linux can provide the same API with a static value or "no age" signal if needed.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    No, you have to panic now! They’re locking Linux users out of life for vague, unstated reasons!!

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago* (4 children)

    You’re right we should ignore the takeover of technology from our very hands into the paws of oligarchs who will make it unobtainable so they can build their datacenters with it and once all the consumer brands have dried up they will sell us dumb terminal tablets and we will rent all software from them in the cloud, by the month.

    I’d ask you to come back and tell me how right I was in say 5-10 years but a) there’s no guarantee they will succeed and b) if they do succeed, none of us will be allowed here in the first place

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  • [–] 7 points 4 weeks ago

    I think you are confusing something. A tech company running proprietary code can and will ask for age verification. It does not matter if the user runs Windows, Linux, iOS, GrapheneOS.

    The law here makes sure that services, which are basically also open source, are not required to do the age verification check.

    So, you install Windows? Age check. You install Linux? No age check. Before even opening a browser. Then on Linux you open Netflix? Age check.

    So I fundamentally saw this actually as a good news.

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    [–] 51 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Why? That law was stupid in the first place but now it is completely idiotic. It isn't coherent even with its original sick logic.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    My guess is they figure it will make little difference due to network effects, and by making this exception they can remove a meaningful source of political resistance to the change. If the vast majority of users are running operating systems that declare underage status, then websites and apps will be able to use those signals to sidestep legal liability for actually doing anything meaningful to protect underage users, and new laws can be passed that assume the use of those signals is possible. That it isn't 100% doesn't change that very much.

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    [–] 46 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    This makes literally zero sense.

    Why would the software license determine this? Just rollback the shit law.

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    [–] 44 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    This is still bad, rollback the law

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  • [–] 43 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    I'm trying to understand the logic. I guess they think the kids are too dumb to use Linux.

    So what if you're running Linux on Windows? Does that qualify?

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  • [–] 60 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

    The logic is none of these distros would do shit to comply with this, and enforcement is almost impossible. This is just saving face.

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  • [–] 20 points 4 weeks ago (1 child)

    There were some people practically tripping over themselves to add all the prerequisites needed to support age verification. Instead of waiting to see how things played out, they just rushed through changes for things like systemd.

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    [–] 32 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    are they going to keep the exception if everyone installs linux now

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  • [–] 37 points 1 month ago* (4 children)

    Yes, but they'll rule that using free open-source software is terrorism.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago

    No they’ll just rule that services need to verify age; and since Linux doesn’t do that now it’s incompatible with the services people rely on.

    This exemption is no better than the Winona councilman who interviewed with CNN and heavily implied that all they had to do was wait until the people moved on from caring about flock cameras and then “it wouldn’t be a problem anymore”.

    They don’t give a fuck what we want, they want to implement verification as a stepping stone to real user ID and they will let Linux fall into irrelevance if it doesn’t comply. They think you will all calm down now since they appeased you with their “exemption”.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    How does that make any sense? How is the license for a piece of software relevant to verifying age? If I make a site that is objectively harmful to minors, I can just make it open-source and I'm exempt? Or, if I make a completely innocuous site that doesn't actually do anything but is closed source, I would have to comply?

    But really, nothing should be doing strong identity verification outside of stuff like government (e.g. passports), or anything that commonly exploits identity for crime (e.g. major financial operations).

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  • [–] 11 points 4 weeks ago

    First off, we're talking about operating systems and not websites.

    Second, if it's open source, the users can just edit out the age verification, no matter how it's implemented. And if it's open source, you simply can't prevent that behavior.

    In theory, the closed source systems make that more complicated, to the point where we can "rely" on those safeguards.

    There's a logic here, even if I totally disagree with the premise of the OS needing anything to do with the user's age. Parents need to parent and we've had solid enough parental controls for a long time now that make this type of monitoring and control easy.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 weeks ago

    But really, nothing should be doing strong identity verification outside of stuff like government (e.g. passports), or anything that commonly exploits identity for crime (e.g. major financial operations).

    FYI the article title (and the name of the law) are both misleading. The law does not require age verification, only age attestation.

    Does that make the law even dumber? Probably, lol.

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    [–] 14 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    We need to divest from big tech. We can't have our lives leveraged by companies for more concessions from us. What is even left to concede?

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    [–] 14 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    So android doesn't need verification?

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    [–] 13 points 4 weeks ago (1 child)

    So it has always been about collecting data about kids all along?

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    [–] 12 points 1 month ago

    I guess its better than the exemption not being there. Best would be no age verification though.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 weeks ago

    It's not all good news, and unfortunately this bill expands the censorship regime to web browsers and websites too.

    https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2026/05/one-step-forward-two-steps-back-cas-ab-1856-exempts-open-source-expands-age-gating

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