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This was published in October 2024 (europe.pub)

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The front page of the New York Times. 5 days before the election.

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[–] bitteroldcoot@piefed.social 127 points 1 week ago (3 children)

It's really interesting talking to people who voted for trump.

It's like, he said what he would do!!!!
And then he did it.
And now you're are surprised?

It really seems they like they didn't believe he would shit on them. When he shit on everyone for his entire life. I remember reading about him refusing to pay subcontractors 50 years ago.

But a huge part was the whole trans, gay, illegal immigrant, abortion and still is.
Yes he made a mess, but he kept his promise on these issues. So he isn't just supported, he is worshipped.

[–] Kraiden@piefed.social 67 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This is why I have no sympathy for the "we were lied to" crowd. No you weren't! You just thought he'd do the awful things to someone else!

[–] bitteroldcoot@piefed.social 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I’m not sure how to reply.

Their level of delusion and cognitive dissonance is so large it is difficult to describe.

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[–] queerlilhayseed@piefed.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 week ago

The news that American conservatives see is not the same as the news that everyone else sees. Part of the trick of a media bubble is lying so comprehensively that sources from outside the bubble sound genuinely out of touch with reality, a belief that is consistently and purposefully reinforced by sources inside the bubble. A lot of conservatives in the bubble, especially those that work two or three jobs, don't really have time to fact check everything they see on the news, hear on the AM radio, read on twitter, etc. Some of them (a depressingly high number of them) did genuinely want awful things to happen to others, some of them didn't, but they all were certainly lied to and manipulated.

[–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 17 points 1 week ago

Unknown journalist in 2016:

They voted for the elephant in the china shop. They didn't realize they were the china.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Who are your talking to?

The Trump supporters I talk to are still fully supporting him. They have no issues because they agree with him to this day.

I spoke with one who seemed to disagree with the mass deportations, but the when I pressed them they admitted that they agree with it all. They even said Renee and Alex deserved what they got.

These are evil people, guys. Do not underestimate this.

[–] ViceroTempus@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

This is what people need to understand. MAGA supports and revels in evil acts. They are your enemy, they are threatening you, and doing violence unto you and your family through government violence. They want you dead, enslaved, amd/or as a personal rapetoy. And if it's not you, they want your children.

Which I wish was all an exaggeration, but its not.

Republicans are the enemy. An enemy you will likely have to kill to stay safe, because you can bet your ass they are coming for you.

[–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 72 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

All this was basically known by the end of Trump1.0 (yeah yeah some will say they knew it in 2015 already, but it took me a while). But who didn't see it after Jan6 '21 was beyond deliberately ignorant.

Him getting re-elected really fucked up a lot of us.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I expected his first term to go much as his first term actually did. I expected his second term to be worse, but not this much worse.

If he was going to dismantle NATO, I would have expected him to do it shortly after Putin got him elected.

[–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

First term, second term... Jan6 should've been the tipping point in everybody's perception. Not just the event and Trump's involvement in it, but the aftermath, all of MAGA, the baking, the hysteria, the hate.

I expected his 2nd term to become much worse, I felt the fear in my gut across the ocean when the election result came out.

But yeah, of course I didn't have any concrete vision, so it's still shocking, all the time.

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

didnt help the dems slow rolled his conviction because they thought they'd win against him in an election and basically broadcasting to everyone that 'he wasnt as bad as people say! its just political nonsense!'

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[–] Malica@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

These people cut off their own children for him

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[–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 53 points 1 week ago

Meh, I'm still on the fence. Let's give him a third term to really figure this out, guys.

[–] Ferrous@lemmy.ml 39 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Mainstream media was a day late and a dollar short in understanding the threat of fascism. Par for the course for liberal media.

Google: trump fascism before:2016-01-01

Why you should stop calling Donald Trump a fascist. December 4, 2015

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/04/why-you-should-stop-calling-donald-trump-a-fascist/

Donald Trump Isn’t a Fascist; He’s a Media-Savvy Know-Nothing. December 28, 2015

https://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/donald-trump-isnt-a-fascist-hes-a-media-savvy-know-nothing

Whose Fascism Is This, Anyway? Dec. 15, 2015

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/16/opinion/whose-fascism-is-this-anyway.html

Is Donald Trump leading a proto-fascist movement? August 28, 2015

https://theweek.com/articles/574097/donald-trump-leading-protofascist-movement

Trump May Be a Loudmouthed Demagogue, but Is He a Fascist? Donald Trump’s anti-Muslim rhetoric has his opponents likening him to Benito Mussolini and Adolf Hitler. Such comparisons may be misplaced.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/12/09/trump-may-be-a-loudmouthed-demagogue-but-is-he-a-fascist/

Is Donald Trump a Fascist?

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-fascist-354690

[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I'm assuming you meant "liberal" ironically? Those outlets are exactly as liberal as the right-wing conservative corporations that own them.

[–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago

American liberals are right wing conservative corpos.

[–] humorlessrepost@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I suspect the person you’re replying to is using “liberal” in a way that refers to someone to the right of their own position. Not in the way Limbaugh used it as a catch-all for anyone left of Reagan.

[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Likely. I get why people find the modern American use of "liberal" as a synonym for the progressive left annoying, but word usages change and that one has unfortunately stuck, which makes references to the "liberal media" confusing.

[–] 5318008@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

the modern American use of "liberal" as a synonym for the progressive left... but word usages change

Modern American civics education is, on average, basically non-existent. All changes in word usage trends toward less nuance, greater redundancy, and greater ambiguity.

And that's fine, I guess, because Descriptivism or whatever. But in the event that moderately educated people use the terms "Liberal" or "Leftist", it's probably okay to assume the formal meanings.

makes references to the "liberal media" confusing."

You seem to not be that confused, since you correctly pointed out that these companies are owned by conservatives.

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[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If they wanted the statement to be taken seriously, they shouldn't have put it in the Opinion section.

[–] boonhet@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 week ago (7 children)

That's what it is though? You can't put opinions in news. Even if your opinion is correct.

[–] Nouvellalia@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That was not an opinion. He said all those things. That full-page headline is only facts.

[–] humorlessrepost@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

“This thing happened” is news, so “Trump said this” is news.

“You should have this reaction to it” is for the opinion pages, even if that reaction is “you should believe him”.

That isn’t to say the Times doesn’t try to get away with pushing a narrative while technically following the rules, but that rule is still a good one.

[–] doingthestuff@lemy.lol 4 points 1 week ago

It is also rephrasing what he said, not using his direct words. There is opinion involved in such things.

[–] yuki_gassen@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 week ago

My friend, lemme tell u something about this "news."

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Fox would like a word…

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 week ago

I pointed this out elsewhere recently. The lawyers of FOX News, when trying to defend the agency in Dominion Voting Systems v. Fox News Network made it super clear that FOX News is an entertainment channel and is not supposed to be regarded as news (now called the Tucker Carlson Defense) that no reasonable person would interpret the content of the shows on FOX as actual news.

FNC's business model depends on the notion that it's main viewership are not reasonable people.

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[–] sudoer777@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Also shouldn't have repeatedly supported a genocide the prior years

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[–] miked@piefed.social 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This was published on October, 27 2024
The election was on November 5, 2024.

It was printed nine days before.

Also, it was the cover of the Opinion section, not the whole paper.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/chilling-nyt-cover-goes-viral-214330000.html

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[–] Spiv@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The only time Donald Trump tells the truth is when he says he's going to do something terrible

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 1 week ago

#ivotedforthis

actually...

I totally voted against this, having experienced Trump's first term; having believed him when he said what he planned on doing on the stump; having become very familiar with Project 2025 Mandate For Leadership. It frustrates me that so many people didn't, and voted based on racism and vibes.

[–] crazycraw@crazypeople.online 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"we - we didn't listen!"

[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hey dont include me, I listened and tried to tell my family and friends. THEY didn't listen.

[–] llamatron@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

I'm pretty sure they did.

They wanted it

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The front page of the New York Times.

Okay, but also...

Leaked NYT Gaza Memo Tells Journalists to Avoid Words “Genocide,” “Ethnic Cleansing,” and “Occupied Territory”. This, while regularly blaming poor electoral performance among liberal politicians on the Palestinian solidarity movement.

and further...

The New York Times rarely quotes transgender people in trans stories in a journal that simply will not shut up about how we need to debate Transgender athletes competing in sports.

then, it cannot be overstated how many times we get...

Why does the New York Times keep calling the left ‘divisive’? With popular candidates and policies routinely pillared as antithetical to the mainstream Democratic Party and a threat to general election success. At the same time, NeverTrump Republicans who run the gamut from Donald Trump's secretary's husband to Ted Cruz's former campaign manager keep getting Op-Eds and interviews explaining why the party needs to move to the right in order to win voters.

And let's not forget how The Times has been far too distracted as of late by worries over President Joe Biden’s age, allowing it to steal attention away from the larger and far more serious danger posed by a second Trump administration. Critics have also argued that The Times covers Biden and Trump with disproportionate standards, placing false equivalence on issues surrounding the current president to those of the former president, who is facing 91 criminal counts and fantasized about being a dictator on “day one.”

The NYT fucking sucks. It consistently tries to have its NeverTrump cake while eating out on Trump-friendly business interests. It is a paper of, by, and for the millionaire class, whose only real criticisms of the President begin and end with how it makes America look to the rest of the world. Stop buying into 96-pt font when as often as not the NYT agenda is buried in the fine print.

[–] Fossy@programming.dev 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Leaked NYT Gaza Memo Tells Journalists to Avoid Words “Genocide,” “Ethnic Cleansing,” and “Occupied Territory"

The news section actually DOES use those words.

They regularly use these words as a quote.

For instance:

"Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International both accuse Israel of ethnic cleansing and genocide, charges that the Israeli government denies"

They just don't throw inflammatory statements. This is the news section of a major newspaper. It’s not a leftist blog.

Why does the New York Times keep calling the left ‘divisive’?

Most of the time, this was a quote:

They quoted David Crowley and college professor Erik Bleich.

Regading Howard Zinn, he was indeed divisive.

I don't see anything wrong with that title. Conservative politicians have occasionally proposed or pushed to ban Zinn's book. Some liberal historians also criticized his book.

https://newrepublic.com/article/213778/howard-zinn-biography-simple-story-american-history

Don't get me wrong. I actually like the guy. But he was indeed divisive.

I think it's crazy to allow people to have guns. But it's fair to say gun laws are a divisive issue in the United States. The word "divisive" isn't inherently bad. It's a description.

The Times has been far too distracted as of late by worries over President Joe Biden’s age, allowing it to steal attention away from the larger and far more serious danger posed by a second Trump administration

Biden's age was indeed a major concern. If they didn't cover it, they would have been accused of a cover up.

Their coverage of Trump was extremely good and extensive:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/20/us/politics/trump-scandals.html?unlocked_article_code=1.9lA.JcRG.vJBN_JxcpUEu

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/10/30/us/politics/trump-administration-criticism.html?unlocked_article_code=1.9lA.RUg5.mzo6XR9KTllf

Americans voted for him. That's their choice.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 week ago

The NYT is just as much to blame as the Washington Post, etc. They have all played major roles in sane-washing the literal fascism that is now strangling our nation. Fuck em.

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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

We are very lucky they are so fucking stupid.

[–] devedeset@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 week ago

They kinda aren't though? In many ways they are but they had a whole plan with Project 2025 and they actually went through with a good chunk of it.

I think it is dangerous that people keep referring to them as stupid. They are in many ways, but they are primarily evil.

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[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Huh. He did exactly that...

[–] Bieren@lemmy.today 7 points 1 week ago

He was just joking. He didn’t mean it. Are you tired of winning yet? We’ve beaten Iran like 886 times in 6 months.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 week ago

Oh The New York Times can go fuck itself. Coward bitches all but abdicate their journalist duty and think they deserve some kind of credit?

Eat shit NYT

[–] ilillilillilillililli@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Puscifer - "The Quiet Parts"

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