On OpenStreetMap, there's an emergency=defibrillator object. It can be tagged with information like opening hours (e.g. if it's inside a location that's only open certain hours), a description of the location ("at the front desk"), etc.

For example, on the Android/iOS app OsmAnd, you can select 'Defibrillator' as a point of interest (POI) Additionally, choosing 'Healthcare' POI type will show not just hospitals, clinics, etc., but also AED locations.

Other emergency devices, like emergency phones, are also mappable.


Why YSK: quick access to defibrillators can save lives and significantly improve quality-of-life outcomes. The more complete this data is, the more useful somebody can actually expect it to be in an emergency. Even if the data isn't queried during the emergency, seeing it on the map could help users know where they are ahead of time.

top 50 comments

sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] 119 points 1 month ago (32 children)

You should also know that using them is not scary. You can't do it wrong if you follow the spoken instructions. It will not shock anyone if it's not needed.

Imidiately starting CPR and using an AED improves the survivability of a stopped heart manyfold.

If you need one you can just grab one from the nearest place. Don't bother asking. Don't be scared of doing something wrong. It's better than doing nothing.

  • source
  • hideshow 32 child comments
  • [–] 44 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (7 children)

    I'm CPR trained with many recerts over the years. AEDs do everything for you, you just have to apply the pads in the correct spot (every AED has a visual diagram) and press the big button. They're intentionally designed to be easy to use now.

    Also, get CPR certified. Takes an hour or two at most and you could save a life.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 7 child comments
  • [–] 20 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Taps you on the shoulder...! Hey hey buddy are you okay?!!! No response... proceeds to CPR. No response...you! Get me the AED!!!...continues CPR....you! Call 911!!!... continues CPR.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

    To anyone reading this, this is actually what you do in a situation where there are people around. Due to the bystander effect, you have to call out to specific people to do these things.

    CPR only works if it's consistent, and you can't stop until EMTs arrive. After you command people to do these, you ask if anyone else is trained in CPR. Not knows. Trained. And then tell them to sit across from you so they can take over if you exhaust yourself. CPR is tough if you do it right, but you're keeping someone from dying.

    Edit: To clarify, the trained portion is for legal liability. If you're trained, your legal liability goes way down if something goes wrong.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    CPR only works if it’s consistent, and you can’t stop until EMTs arrive. After you command people to do these, you ask if anyone else is trained in CPR. Not knows. Trained.

    Buuuut, don't be afraid to do it wrong if nobody is available. Shitty halfbaked CPR is still better than just standing there doing nothing. And the people at the emergency services will absolutely talk you through improvising it.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 31 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Caveat that it won't shock anyone they don't need to as long as that person isn't conscious or moving...

    The AED doesn't shock people who are in asystole (flatline), contrary to popular myth. The point of shocking isn't to start the heart, it's "have you tried shutting it off and turning it back on again?" It shocks 2 rhythms, ventricular tachycardia (a type of very fast heart rate) and ventricular fibrillation (where the bottom part of your heart quivers but doesn't pump). It's possible to be alive and conscious in V tach, you can be pulseless and "dead" with V tach and you won't have a pulse with V fib. So if you apply it to someone conscious, there's a chance they could be in V tach and it will recognize that and shock them, killing them. It can also recognize movement as a shockable rhythm and deliver a shock improperly.

    None of this should scare anyone from using an AED! If you have someone who isn't conscious, isn't breathing, and doesn't have a pulse or you don't know how to check for one, you can use an AED! Just don't put one on someone who is awake and having chest pain "just in case" and if you need to move someone that has an AED applied, don't do it while the AED says it is analyzing (you will know, it verbally says so and tells you to stop touching the patient!)

    Go learn CPR! It is not hard, and you can save a life. Remember, if someone needs CPR you can't screw it up! They can't get any more dead, but you can make them better!

    • not a CPR instructor, but I do work in EMS :)
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Well written and well explained! I knew just by reading your first sentence that you have or are riding in the back of the bus. From an old and thankfully retired medic - Glove up, be safe, and have fun out there! And who knows, your next page might be the coolest trauma ever!

    I will add one bit of data for people to think about. If you witness an arrest and you immediately start CPR, patient survival rates are around 35%. I know that doesn't maybe sound all that good. But if you wait for me show up in my amp-a-lamps with the woo woos and flashy flashies, then patient survival rates drop to less than 9%. It's all you bystanders that save more lives with CPR than we do.

    And if you ever need to do CPR, you go all in and do it like you mean it!

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    Completely agreed! I've used a few in practice sessions and they are quite easy. The one thing to be aware of is that you do need to get the sticky electrodes in the right place. There is a simple diagram showing where they go. But you will need to get under their shirt and bra to place them, so make sure you're not pulling down a strangers clothes for the wrong reasons.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (9 children)

    Depends where you live. Pretty sure here you need a code to open it which you can get while calling for an ambulance and they direct you to the nearest one.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 9 child comments
  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago

    It's a mix here. Those in private businesses tend to be open and easy to grab. The ones in a box on a street corner are code locked.

    I suspect it makes sense. The slight delay would be fairly minimal. You are likely on the phone to emergency services already.

    It's quite effective at stopping people messing with them however. Unfortunately, it only takes a few idiots to ruin things. Both thieves and bored teenagers could take an interest in them, and render them useless. A simple code lock makes it clear it's not to be touched without need.

    I've not looked closely enough to see if any have a "break glass" type access system as well.

  • source
  • parent
  • [+] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children)
  • load more comments (8 replies)
    [–] 32 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

    @TheTechnician27@lemmy.world YSK that because of this post, I finally signed up a OSM account.

    CoMaps makes it easy to add stuff.

    PS: People in my area are apparently really good at mapping AED's.

  • source
  • hideshow 6 child comments
  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    OSM mapping can be very fun, I started doing it more than half my life ago. :D Not just defibrillators, but lots of other things too!

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 5 child comments
  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    How easy / intuitive is it to do on mobile (specifically iOS)? I've wanted to start for a while but the fear of making a mess and more work for volunteers has kept me from it so far.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    I don't use iOS, but have read that there are apps for it too. On Android there is something called StreetComplete that is specifically aimed at beginners.

    Probably the easiest thing to do on mobile is to add or update nodes describing POIs. For example if a store or restaurant or post box or trash can is missing on the map, you can add that. You can use OsmAnd or, I think, also CoMaps for that.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago*

    one thing to bear in mind is that you don't have to meet some standard, it's perfectly okay to ONLY map picnic tables if that's what you're comfortable with. In fact adding lots of small things like that is really useful, i mean just look at google maps: It's just a sea of POIs (Points of interest) on a super desaturated background where you can barely even see the roads..
    Most people just use maps to find specific things.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 25 points 1 month ago

    Organic Maps for Android and iOS shows defibrilators on map. Just search for "aed".

  • source
  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    MapComplete has a specific theme for mapping them

  • source
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Is that like a fork of StreetComplete (or the other way around)? My problem with street complete is that it decides priorities for you in terms of what info to ask you for. Like I dont care much about reporting road surfaces and lane lines, but I'd really like to contribute to mapping of hiking/biking trails, and things like water sources. I know you can do that kind of thing via web interfaces, but I like the way street complete makes it easy in an app.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] [S] 5 points 1 month ago*

    FYI, you can change what quests appear on StreetComplete (and their priority) at Settings > Quest selection and display order. As for contributing to hiking/biking trails and water sources, what you're able to do is going to be pretty limited on StreetComplete. StreetComplete is there to fill in some data to existing objects.

    That said, if there's a type of quest that would fit StreetComplete but isn't on there yet, they welcome requests.


    Edit: I see the first part was already addressed in another comment. ^_^

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    Thanks for telling me. Better start mapping those places with defib units.

  • source
  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)
    load more comments (2 replies)
    load more comments
    view more: next ›