cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/66759116

A unanimous vote among the three members of the Seattle City Council’s Housing, Arts and Civil Rights Committee forwarded a proposal to the full council that would amend sections of the Seattle Municipal Code to “recognize genders outside the gender binary, recognize pansexuality and asexuality as orientations, and include consensual relationships with multiple partners as an element of attitudes, preferences, and practices pertaining to sexual orientation.”

The protections would apply to employment, housing, business licensure, places of public accommodation, park usage, and “bias-free policing,” according to the proposal.

Seattle would follow Portland, West Hollywood, Berkeley, California, and a handful of other cities in adopting the expanded protections against discrimination. Under the bill, residents facing unfair treatment could file complaints and seek remedy through Seattle’s Office for Civil Rights.

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[–] 83 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

I can't see how this is anything but a good thing. Less tolerance for discrimination against people for shit that doesn't matter to anyone but themselves is fabulous news.

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  • [–] 64 points 2 weeks ago (15 children)

    Polyamory is going to bring a host of legal questions around marriage law. I wonder how this is all going to work.

    All cool things though!

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  • [–] 56 points 2 weeks ago (14 children)

    My question is, why was the government ever involved in personal commitments?

    But sure, if straight couples are getting married with legal benefits, LGBTQIA+ couples+ oughta get in on that, too.

    And to get ahead of the strawman stupid conservatives might create, animals and children cannot meaningfully consent and thus should not enter into lifelong commitments.

    I'mma say the thing they hate. The reflexive property: love is love. 🙂❤️

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  • [–] 10 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

    I think your second statement answers the first. 🙂

    All the legal protections and multiple inherent contracts that come from having a state-sanctioned marriage, all for $20 ($100?) or whatever for the town/county clerk vs hundreds or much more for enacting every individual contract it stands in for.

    I have a long winded reply in my head about how these relationship types are not a new idea, humans have had multiple types of relationships for millennia, etc., etc. But I'm tired, and it's preaching to the choir at this point. (So to speak, lol)

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

    Yeah. It's difficult for me to see "traditional marriage" as anything more than financially incentivizing and socially pressuring straight couples to breed. More mindless bodies for the capitalist meat grinders.

    Commitments can be lovely and wonderful. Why was the government EVER involved? Because the bible said it was important to do it one way and one way only?

    It's a bit personal for me, admittedly. I don't think my parents should have had children.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    It's not only about breeding. It recognizes partners as close relatives legally which gives some rights, for example being able to visit their partner in a hospital while they are unconscious. You wouldn't some rando to be able to do it, but for a hospital to allow partners through they need some proof of that.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago

    You don't need to be legally married for that, though. I could list anyone I want as a healthcare proxy or emergency contact, and that gives them rights.

    If anything, it can be dangerous to trust immediate family with certain decisions by nature of the paperwork they can prove, because they don't inherently have the person's wellbeing in mind. E.g. a divorced couple with child, or a couple that is still married but separated and yet to complete the divorce paperwork. Or if the person just has a sensitive issue that they don't want their family involved with.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (12 children)

    Honestly as a monogamous lesbian in a 27 year marriage, I will never understand why you can't be married to multiple people of you want to be? So much for land of the free hu

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  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Inheritance, medical decisions, child custody, and a dozen other spouse rights get really difficult when they become three person issues.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago

    These are settled issues. Turns out last remaining parents with multiple children die all the time leaving more than one person to make decisions and settle inheritance.

    Spousal rights < parental rights. Step parents are generally (BIG emphasis on generally here, you can what if this shit to death, your specific cases where the parents aren't fit are not what we're talking about here) made to defer to the child's actual parents when making decisions for that child. I can imagine family court, when it comes to that, will come to the same conclusion with polyspousal relationships. The good news is a system exists to deal with it.

    Inheritance, like anything without a will, is split equally among the remaining next of kin, in this case, multiple remaining spouses.

    It's already advisable to have a Will in place and to discuss what your preferences are medically with your partner, that wouldn't change with multiple partners. Just like a single parent with multiple children.

    Even if these issues weren't settled, even if you have some stupid specific edge case that invalidates everything I've said so far, it doesn't fucking matter. These are not problems. They're inconveniences. They can be settled and are no reason to stand in the way of consenting adults seeking happiness at

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    [–] 25 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

    Good for them but also

    Divorce lawyers, growth market

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    Because it could be a step towards polygamy, which increases the number of partners involved in a divorce. Imagine a scenario where one divorce triggers a separate filing, or a prenup being rendered invalid by the second partner becoming the sole partner, etc etc.

    I think divorce aka family lawyers already kind of handle these things as is in the case of merged assets.

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    [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago (20 children)

    Great! I hope they are happy! Although I've not seen a poly relationship workout for long, but more power to those who can make it work.

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  • [–] [S] 24 points 1 week ago (11 children)

    People don't tend to talk or seek advice about relationships that are healthy, they just enjoy them. That's why you end up hearing about when it doesn't work more than when it works.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

    Yep, exactly, we have two partners and are happy with them. We do often specify partners though because like you said often beings don't talk about polyamorous relationships that work out.

    So we think it's important to push back on the narrative these self-righteous monogamous beings want to push, that monogamy is the only way to be good, pure and have relationships that work out.

    As if monogamous beings never cheat, break up, or are toxic, but lol, we guess it's better to lie about it than be honest that we want multiple partners or can love multiple beings 🙄.

    Believe us we have seen lots of u healthy polyamorous beings and relationships too, we know why it happens and really wish they'd learn and grow from it, but we are happily unmarried and polyamorous, and still going after quite a few years.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago

    Yup, been with my wife for 14 years and she's had a steady boyfriend for 3 now. We still have relationship problems but that's the fairly normal communication issues everyone gets through as you grow up together.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 week ago

    I've seen it fail more often than not, but what I've noticed is that opening up a monogamous relationship is almost always an attempt to cope with critical relationship issues. These are doomed. The ones I've seen work long term are always ones where people begin their relationships with a mutual understanding/desire for non-monogamy.

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    [–] 10 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    Mormons have entered the chat

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Still, they might be affected as well. I honestly wonder if they'll do a 180 again on the matter of polygamy once such protections are all over Utah.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago

    The modern LDS church has put a lot of ideological emphasis on "that was then, this is now". I really doubt they'd do another doctrine flip, given so much emphasis is placed on presenting as capital 'n' Normal Americans.

    The polygamist splinter sects, on the other hand...

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  • [–] 9 points 2 weeks ago

    Now I wonder how they’ll abolish bigamy laws.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago

    Oo nice. One more step away from Christian nationalism.

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