I have once (1) woken up feeling completely refreshd and ready for the day without any chemical assistance and I still feel revolted thinking that that’s normal for some people.

The most fantastical part of dungeons and dragons is the 8h long rest that heals you up and gives you all your skills back.

Damned! I was about to go to bed and instead I read that thread. Now I won't have my 8 hours… :(

I can't imagine being unable or unwilling to sleep. Sleep is my go-to favorite method of escapism. I can fall asleep anywhere, anytime. And my dreams invariably fill the voids in my life, like cuddling with soft fluffy loving precious housepets that I don't actually have, my children when they were in their adorable toddler stage, love & romance, family, big clean white house that I don't actually live in, but always do in my dreams. I've never tried drugs & never will, but the bliss I experience from sleeping seems comparable to how people describe heroin. Except sleep costs nothing, is always available, causes no trouble, & is a whole lot healthier than heroin 😄

I get 8 hours sleep and consistently feel tired and awful every time. 10 hours, 6 hours, far better experiences.

If you have trouble sleeping but don't have an obvious medical causes for it, I highly recommend simply abstaining from caffeine entirely (sub for decaf) and try reading for an hour before bed, no phone usage. It's miraculous how much of a difference it makes. I still sometimes have caffeine as a treat on the weekends, but only before noon.

Laughs in chronic fatigue

I just started using that feature on some smart watches that wakes you up when you're in light sleep within 30 minutes of your alarm, and DANG--game changer, seriously. For the last few mornings I've woken up feeling better after six hours of sleep than on a lot of mornings where I've had a hard wakeup after nine.

EDIT: It's called "Smart Wake" on Android and Garmin watches, it's an app like "AutoWake" for Apple Watch, and it's "Smart Alarm" for Pebble.

When you finally get 8 hours of sleep and it genuinely starts making sense why they recommend it

I sleep fine. It's waking that's hard. If it's not when my body wants to wake, I hate life for the first sixish hours of the day. Doesn't matter if I had 3 hours or 10.

I got treated for sleep apnea, got treatment for my chronic insomnia, I stay off my electronics for at least an hour before bed, I don't have any caffeine except a cup of coffee in the morning, and all that and I still get god awful sleep and wake up feeling like shit.

i have do 8-10hrs, anymore will make me groggy throughout the day, and wierdly ill.

I either get 4-1/2 hours or 12 hours, there is no in between.

I wouldn’t know

I always go to bed early enough to get 7-8 hours of sleep, but according to the sleep tracker on my watch, I sleep like shit. It's no wonder I'm always so fucking tired.

big sigh I miss those days so much and they are only a few months in my past.

After a lifetime no sleep issues, I’ve been sleeping like shit without medication for the last few months. I get 1 good sleep in without medication and it feels amazing. Then the next night I barely get 3 hours of broken restless sleep.

This sucks and I don’t know how anyone can do it long term 😕

Eh, after a couple years of doing 5-6 hours, 8 hours is no longer doable. For some reason my hip and back start acting up if I sleep longer than 7 hours. Doesn't seem to matter what sleeping position or what bed I use, after 7 hours of inactivity my muscles seem to just start to strain themselves.