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Why it matters: Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is already $1 billion over budget by one estimate, with more than three months left in the fiscal year. That's alarmed lawmakers in both parties — and raised the possibility of Trump clawing funds from agencies to feed ICE.

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[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

We could just... Not pay them?

Edit: charge them fines for the shit they pulled, sell off their gear, do the sane for any cop or agency that collaborated. Even set a precedent that complying with illegal orders is bad and you shouldn't! We won't do any of that, but we could!

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 20 hours ago

I'm just spitballing, but could we cut services that help people to pay for this bullshit? Like, maybe everything good that my taxes pay for could be re-routed to hurting people? I dunno, just a thought. /s

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 45 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Trumps attempt at creating a fascist dictator regime is collapsing.

  1. The Military parade clearly showed he doesn't have the backup of the military.
  2. People are beginning to mass protest, and the no kings protests were way more successful than the parade.
  3. Republican politicians are becoming more reluctant in their support.
  4. Courts are often judging against him.
  5. When Trump ups the ante resistance increases.

That means Trump doesn't really control any part of the nation the way a dictator is supposed to, and his attempts to achieve it are failing.
Obviously the flawed democracy of USA is not safe yet, but if the trend continues, there is hope USA may get through this eventually.

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I'm sorry but TACO Don continues to flaunt the law without consequences. A crappy parade does not mean he has no support from theemilitary still willing to follow illegal orders

You guys are making progress but cannot relent. So far the biggest damage to TACO has been caused by his own mediocrity and stupidity

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I'm not saying Trump isn't awful, and things aren't bad. I also clearly state democracy in USA isn't safe yet.
But Trump is failing more than he is succeeding.

I am not American, but I really hope they will work to improve democracy. The concept of a president controlling the entire administration is both awful and not representative of the population. A democracy that result in a 2 party system is only barely a democracy.

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

But Trump is failing more than he is succeeding

by what standard?

every way he is failing affect Americans more than himself, that's no consolation

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

By the standards of what democracy is. Namely representing the will of the people. You simply can't do that when there are only 2 options.

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world -2 points 20 hours ago

so mild resistance and dirty looks that, in no significant way, are stopping Trump from destroying democracy and the world economy... got it

[–] BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 36 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I won't be satisfied that this attempt at fascism has collapsed until we no longer have plain-clothes, masked goons kidnapping people off the street.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

You are right, it has not collapsed yes, but it is collapsing. And I don't think it's possible now for him to finish it. Things looked much worse a month ago.

[–] fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com 3 points 1 day ago

That is a fair benchmark

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The military parade might have been the sickest burn yet, so far.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It was beautiful to see how everybody were bored out of their mind. Nobody enjoyed being there. 🤣

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 2 points 12 hours ago

Oh yeah, that really was an extra cherry in the cherry.

It was such a sad display overall

[–] martin4598@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Don't worry for Trump. Nothing that a good old war can solve... Everybody I'll have to fall in line, or be lined up, in the name of patriotism.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

He is probably trying just that, because it's common knowledge that a war normally has the effect that people back the current president/administration while fighting an exterior enemy.
Problem for Trump is, that he can't find a war to fight that is plausibly legitimate. Only a small minority is buying it with Iran, and he doesn't have any other options.

[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Yeah, it feels like Iran would be more like the end of Vietnam in terms of public opinion.

I also don't think Iran is going to do anything to make war more appealing (especially given they can just focus efforts on Israel).

[–] DrFistington@lemmy.world 78 points 2 days ago (2 children)

So at 1 billion dollars to deport 250k people, many of which are actually us citizens, it will be a mere 44 billion to deport every illegal immigrant according to recent estimates. It will also lead to a huge reduction in tax revenue, and increase in the price of both goods and labor.

Great investment if you hate America

[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

their hate for minorities is greater than whatever positive emotions they can have towards the country.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

They don't have positive emotions.

But not in a cool intellectual way like me.

[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 2 points 19 hours ago

Same, not because the intellectual bit, just regular depression

[–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's my theory. Trump is pissed he lost 2020 and wants to destroy the country.

[–] IceFoxX@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Pissed about His whole FCK life with all this historical fails He immediately began destroying the US in 2016...

2020 were further preparations... with allegations of stolen election... January 6, etc. .... that in 2024 there will not be a single statement about election manipulation, although it is certain that it was manipulated.

Moreover, most of Biden's proposals were blocked by Republicans... seems more like a deliberate pawn sacrifice so that one has something to complain about afterwards for the supporters

[–] Renohren@lemmy.today 36 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

In 1930's Germany, the NAZI party had the same logistics and financial cost of displacement problems. They figured out a solution. This freezes my blood.

Yeah. But, hey, fuck it?

[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It's clear that ICE is morally bankrupt, but I thought that its restructuring into a secret police force would be financed by these absurd import tariffs, which are so broad in scope that they are basically tantamount to a massive VAT increase.

[–] forrgott@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But the orange clown has set them way too high; the rates he's imposed are just as likely to cause way fewer imports, and therefore not nearly as much gov revenue as he thinks

[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yes, it still amounts to billions in additional tax revenue, which is of course paid for by US citizens rather than the manufacturing countries – but this sum is probably already reserved for the planned tax cuts for the super-rich.

The plan is presumably to finance Trump's private army through additional cuts in healthcare, environmental protection, education, and all other areas that are counterproductive to fascism.

I'm not a US citizen, but I think this country is screwed.

[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's cause he can't dictate that. Tariffs are just income to pay bills, congress sets budgets and even they aren't too happy with a budget that's increased spending. So it's even likely his increases to ICE DHS that he requested won't make it through.

He could try to siphon money from elsewhere, but that'd just get caught up in the courts (and he'd probably loose as congress owns the purse).

[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The Republicans control both houses of Congress. But the usual rules don't seem to apply anymore. Isn't Trump currently starting a war without the approval of Congress?

[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

This may be more of an opinion, but Trump hasn't really done anything too crazy when it comes to money (the biggest line I think he crossed was moving some defense funds around for his wall in his first term).

As for the starting a war without congress. That's a tricky one. Technically the US has given a lot of emergency powers to the President so that he could potentially drag the US into a war, but to sustain it would require acts of Congress.

[–] UnpopularCrow@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I keep seeing posts like this, but the sad truth is they are going to be just fine. The DHS just got a 65% increase in their budget for 2026 to go to 60 billion dollars. I believe this is the largest percentage increase since it began. That is almost 4x the budget of NASA and includes 40 billion in discretionary spending. (https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/Fiscal-Year-2026-Discretionary-Budget-Request.pdf)

Even if they run out of money before September, Congress will trip over themselves to give them more money. There are zero checks on Noem at this point.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2025/06/kristi-noem-ice-dhs-budget-trump-power.html

[–] xzot746@sh.itjust.works 2 points 16 hours ago

Correct, they can print all the money they want, it's fake tied to nothing.

TACO will just say some stupid thing to justify it and it will continue. It has been shown that there are no checks and balances that can be or willing to be put in place.

I didn't read the article but again it's another reminder that the mainstream news isn't going to really report in anything.

ICE budget over by a billion, yeah no shit did you think all these cosplayers were already in the payroll and just hanging out at their bases looking at all the gear they have.

[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That budget hasn't been passed yet to my knowledge. Not to mention the president's budget request never makes it through, as the house and senate always have their own priorities.

[–] UnpopularCrow@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It’s already passed the house. The senate plans on voting on it by July 4th. So far, no push back from senate republicans on the DHS side of things.

According to Wikipedia:

“The Republican-led Senate is expected to amend the bill.[63] Fiscally conservative Republican Senators (nicknamed "deficit hawks") such as Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, Rick Scott of Florida, Mike Lee of Utah and Rand Paul of Kentucky, have pushed for deeper spending cuts.[63][64] Moderate Republicans such as Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Jerry Moran of Kansas, along with populist Josh Hawley of Missouri, have expressed concerns about Medicaid cuts.[63][65] Other moderates such as John Curtis of Utah and Thom Tillis of North Carolina, along with Murkowski and Moran, have also expressed concerns over the end of green energy tax credits.[63] Defense hawks such as Mike Rounds of South Dakota are opposed to spectrum auction provisions in the bill.”

[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

From my recollection, and I could be wrong, the major issue is that passing the budget has gotten intertwined a bit with the Big Beautiful bill. This is largely due to issues around tax breaks and other legislation in the BBB having budget impacts. So I had thought that the general consensus was the BBB would need to pass before there was a chance of the budget going forward, but I may have some of those facts backwards.

[–] UnpopularCrow@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yea, I think you are correct. The BBB will be voted on July 4th, not the budget. I had my facts backward. That said, I still don’t anticipate a lot of DHS pushback. Although I hope congress does change it considerably. It’s a mess as is.

[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I don't expect DHS pushback (policy wise), but I do suspect they won't get all the money Trump was asking for.

There is also a lot of belief that the BBB won't get settled before July 4th. Given that it's still getting passed back and forth between the house and senate and they only have next week.

[–] aceshigh@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

No biggie. When the big bogus bill gets passed ICE will be plush with cash.