It was just after 2 a.m. on a pitch-black Friday morning when Bernadette Greene-Placentia’s life changed. The Democratic candidate for Congressional District 8 strolled across a parking lot to repair a damaged campaign sign. It was a routine she’d followed all summer. This time, she only made it a few yards.

An attacker smashed her over the head. She blacked out. She woke up to find a strange man on top of her.

Greene-Placentia struggled to open her eyes. She felt a sharp pain below her waist. The attacker was pulling his penis out of her.

She heard him mumble something like, “-ic bitch, not a very good fuck,” which her mind filled in as “Democratic bitch,” she recalled. She wasn’t sure that was exactly what he said.

One leg was out of her jean capris. She wore brand-new tennis shoes and a campaign t-shirt. Another man came over. Greene-Placentia felt his weight nudging her left leg further apart. She began swinging her foot at him. “Not even worth it,” she heard the man say as he moved away. He wore black boots and had small feet, she recalled.

The two men left Greene-Placentia face down in the parking lot. The hatch of her silver Jeep Grand Cherokee was still open. The car was still running. She heard music.

She doesn’t remember pulling up her pants or picking herself off the asphalt parking lot. She doesn’t remember closing her Jeep’s hatch and putting her foot on the gas. She doesn’t remember pulling her car into the driveway and collapsing into her bed.

“It’s just these little tiny flashes of things that I do remember,” Greene-Placentia said in an interview with Phoenix New Times. “As much as I don’t want to remember, I’ve tried very, very hard to remember more stuff. But that’s where I’m at.”

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[–] [S] 317 points 2 weeks ago (82 children)

I'm sick and tired of men telling me that rape culture doesn't exist, that rape victims should have done something different, they should have worn something different, they should have not gone out alone, I'm fucking sick of all of it.

We have a problem with misogyny and rape in this country. It doesn't exist in a vacuum on its own.

Trump is merely a symptom of the rot.

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  • [–] 81 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    I was listening to an excerpt of Jimmy Carr interview a few days ago in which he was arguing that one of best ways to combat toxic masculinity was to encourage young men to go down to the pub with the lads. That men in groups will keep checks on others within the group.

    I respect Carr and his crusade against toxic masculinity, but I am a guy and a lifelong feminist (thanks mom) that grew up in an extremely misogynistic culture. Sure, my friends would have kept me in check, but that's because we were always a mixed gender and sexuality group. Most "lads" crews I knew, once drunk and rowdy, were more likely to gang rape a girl than not if she told them off. Sorry Jimmy, humans are still way to close to close to chimp to be left unchecked.

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  • [–] 30 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

    I don't know how feminist I'd consider him. As I recall, he and Stephen Fry both drifted right in their politics over the past decade or so:

    "the problem with American communism, which is woke, is better described as American Marxism. And what it is is instead of trying to redistribute wealth, which is a perfectly reasonable thing to want to do, they want to redistribute status. And that is a recipe for fucking madness" -Jimmy Carr

    Stephen Fry ended up praising Jordan Peterson or some such, Carr started talking anti-woke politics on podcasts after being "cancelled" by a heckler.

    From a student news website:

    "Jimmy Carr has built his career on his deliberately offensive style of comedy – nothing is off limits and nobody is safe. His new special, aptly-titled His Dark Material, is supposed to epitomise this ethos, as Carr spends an hour bombarding his audience with endless quips about hipsters, vegans, gingers, women (including his own girlfriend, who sounds like a very lucky lady), victims of sexual abuse, little people, and anybody else he feels hasn’t been at the receiving end of enough grief lately. His pièce de resistance comes in the form of a section at the end of the special filled with jokes Carr brazenly calls his “career enders”, in which he says that few people know about the fact that an estimated half a million Roma people were murdered during the Holocaust because nobody wants to “talk about the positives”. One man’s suffering is another man’s slapstick."

    https://thestudentnews.co.uk/2022/03/03/the-charge-of-the-woke-brigade-the-case-against-jimmy-carr/

    He tried to defend the Holocaust joke by saying it brings attention to non-jewish victims of the Holocaust which earned him every comedians highest achievement when going anti-woke - being defended by Jeremy Clarkson.

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  • [–] 59 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

    Tbh we also have a problem with misogyny on the threadiverse.

    Why does this have downvotes? Someone got raped and OP is justifiably mad about the state of things, why do people here feel that's something to take issue with?

    We really like to feel progressive and like we're fighting the good fight here, until someone posts a sexist meme and you see what the comment section looks like, and it becomes clear a lot of folks haven't interrogated how they look at women or women's issues even a little bit since leaving reddit

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  • [–] [S] 63 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

    Some of the downvotes are because I am one of the few voices on the fediverse speaking out against those sexist memes and such. There are some people that don't like outspoken women and I have a few stalkers that are very dedicated.

    But as you can see from other comments, there is a problem with misogyny here. The kneejerk questioning of rape victims is just one sign of it.

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  • [–] 33 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child)

    I was reading a comment in a post today that was about becoming a regular at places was how to build community. The comment was from a disabled and moderately attractive (direct quote from the commenter) woman who said she avoided becoming a regular because people felt that they could take advantage of her if they knew her routine.

    And it just made me sad. Nobody should have to go through that. Nobody should feel ostracized because they are afraid someone will abuse them.

    I had, and for the most part still do, agree that it's generally good to become a regular at a place. But I hadn't thought of it from that woman's perspective before and I respect and understand her decision.

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  • [–] 49 points 2 weeks ago* (19 children)

    I think it's much more prevalent than people want to admit.

    Otherwise, spontaneous gang rapes wouldn't occur with such frequency. Why are there always so many men that are up for it randomly? What are the odds, yeah? Seriously, that wouldn't be possible if it was a rarity.

    They'll rape animals and men, too, because they're rapists. Women and children are smaller, so they are preyed on much more, but if all women disappeared tomorrow, they'd still rape whomever/whatever else they could.

    Sure, this could be a political ploy in this case, I know nothing. But the reason such a ploy is believable is because it's so common.

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    [–] 197 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (6 children)

    Every time rape culture comes into the limelight, I remember a party in college where a friend, well call her blue, was so drunk she was pants-off propositioning several people. All of us were like "Blue if you're down tomorrow, that's cool. But like, go to bed."

    Not Nick. Name not redacted. I went into their room and cock blocked. Straight to Nick "brother you're way more cogent than her. This is rape, and everyone here knows it."

    Or, sorry to both sides here, but the time Jenna, name not redacted, came downstairs with a suggestive giggle and grin after we had all just helped our friend James (not his name) to bed, in his own home at his house for a graduation party. Jenna, that was rape. And I said it out loud to you in front of everyone. And you giggled like it was cute.

    There's a small percentage of humans among us that don't respect others autonomy. They need to be outed. They need to be held accountable. We need them away from the rest of us.

    Fuck you Nick. Fuck you Jenna.

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  • [–] 46 points 2 weeks ago* (3 children)

    I saved a friend of mine from a similar situation. I was living in a house with 5 people. She was shit faced. I came home and found her in the shower. Clothed. Passed out.

    I got her changed (we were pretty close friends). And put her to bed.

    Like a bit later I get up to check on her. Cause people can die from alcohol poisoning. I See her door is open. Go in and a fucking guy is in her bed.

    Can you believe that !?

    Some shit stain that was there for the party, from one of the other housemates was throwing.

    I flipped out on him and cussed him out. He called me a bitch. Told me to mind my own fucking business. She was into it. ..

    He really wasn't going to leave. I am pretty sure I threatened him with violence. (This was like 20 years ago).

    Man, I was so angry. I'm still angry when I think about it.

    I remember it was actually really hard to get him to leave. He didn't think I had any right to tell him he couldn't rape my friend. I do recall there being a lot of yelling.

    I did finally get him to leave. And I told the housemate about it but she honestly didn't care.

    Next day I told my friend some shitty guy was in her bed but I chased him off. I tried to recall what he looked like. So she could figure out who he was. But I don't think we figured it out for sure.

    And cautioned her about Ashley's "friends".

    She said she got in the shower because she realized how drunk she was and thought it would sober her up. And didn't remember much after that.

    Thank God I got off work in time.

    A woman underestimates her alcohol consumption one fucking time and the vultures swoop in. In her own place.

    Not safe anywhere.

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    [–] 121 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    This is horrific, and sounds like actual terrorism in that it is a violent act with an apparent political motive. I hope she is safe and gets justice for what was done to her.

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    [–] 119 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Completely insane that there are comments here assigning any degree of blame to her for this situation. The fact that it was 2 in the morning isn't an invitation to rape or be otherwise assaulted.

    Hell, I don't care if someone were nude and fixing a sign that advertised their services as a prostitute. Still not "asking for it".

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    [–] 101 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

    I'm sure the cops will definitely use the flock cameras to identify her attackers.

    /s

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  • [–] 37 points 2 weeks ago* (1 child)

    Wouldnt you know it, it happened in a gap of camera coverage. This wouldnt have happened of the liberals hadnt been pro-rape and forced us to get rid of the cameras that would have caught this! We should get 30,000,000 dollars in new funding to expand AI cameras across the area!

    /s

    I feel so sorry for this poor woman having to endure this, It is a terrible violation and tragedy.. but if it happened specifically because of her politics, then that opens a very very dark door for our future, and thats saying something considering rape is already a dark door in and of itself.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 week ago

    It likely was politically motivated the rapist said “-ic bitch” to her and I think she was right that the full word was democratic. She was also attacked while fixing a political sign which probably wasn’t a coincidence. This is disgusting.

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    [–] 85 points 2 weeks ago (41 children)

    This is a horrific story. We need stronger laws surrounding rape. I guarantee you, that if republican men were being raped, we would have death penalty laws against rape.

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    [–] 69 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    I understand the memory block the trauma of rape can cause. My ex drugged and raped me in my own home, in my own bedroom, during my own goddamn birthday party with family and friends just a shout away. Everyone thought I was just super fucking drunk, as I had turned 21 and was drinking heavily. I was drunk, but the drugs I was given in the last drinky ex gave me had me unable to stand within minutes. My ex told everyone he'd go tuck me in so I could rest and everyone thought the last of the alcohol I'd had hit me all at once. He essentially dragged me to my bed and tossed me onto it like a sack of potatoes. I didn't pass out as quickly as I would have liked. The drugs paralyzed me and I was very much aware of the things my ex was doing, but I couldn't do a damn thing about it. Thankfully I passed out before he started the penetrative part of the rape. I woke up naked and in awful pain all over, but especially down there. I often sleep nude or nearly nude because I get overheated easily, so I didn't think anything of it and figured the pain was just a hangover.

    I blocked out all memory for five years as a survival mechanism and my mental health tanked when the memories came back. It took another three years for me to seek therapy. All of the evidence is circumstantial, as he wore protection or was just unable to cum. There were no witnesses and no concrete evidence other than my memories that resurfaced, me waking up naked, and the pain.

    The mental healing has been so rough. I can't imagine what this woman is going through. Her experience sounds far more traumatic than mine was. I hope she can get the help she deserves and needs and that the bastards who hurt her get what's coming to them. I will never get justice for what happened to me, but I hope every other victim can.

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  • [–] 69 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

    I can already hear the Republicans making fucked up jokes about this.

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  • [–] 28 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Well, they thought Nancy Pelosi's husband getting assaulted was a real hoot, so it's all too predictable.

    Also, they started crafting a narrative in which it wasn't home invasion or anything, but because he's actually sooper dooper gay or something and it was a lover's quarrel. Tee hee, aren't the conservatives so funny? Why won't the libs make comedy legal again?

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    [–] 64 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Fellow men:

    Believe women. Do not allow mysogyny in your circles. Don't even laugh at the jokes. Speak out. When you hear people talk about having harmed a woman or planning to, report it. Don't just go on the internet and say you're a feminist or support women - actually do it, every day.

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    [–] 57 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    I hope she succeeds in life, and that those two men are killed. Rapists, just like unjustifiable killers, have no place among humanity.

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    [–] 40 points 2 weeks ago

    Well, even if this was politically motivated, she's not a conservative and doesn't have the name Charlie Kirk, so Republicans won't give a flying fuck.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    I fucking hate rapists with every fiber of my being. I'd skin god alive if it meant I could torture every single rapists that has ever walked this forsaken planet. The soulless, mindless, evil you have to have in you to force yourself on someone .

    My partner is a survivor, and I swear on any god that is listening if I ever get the chance, god have mercy on my soul the things I would do to them.

    Fucking sick motherfuckers.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 weeks ago

    Wow. Top Ten Incels of Lemmy are all here, and I know I'm not even seeing all of the comments because some are already blocked.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (30 children)

    wow, I don't think people like this can be repaired. They should be locked away for life (with minimal comforts, basically a monk like life) and that energy should be spent on their kids and younger generation. Except ofcourse we are talking about the Trump administration, Trump probably thinks she got what she deserved. So yeah, quite hopeless.

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    [–] 25 points 1 week ago

    I went to Fox News to read the comment section about this. It's as expected - vile and calling her a liar.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    At the risk of being called a "not all men apologist" here, I, as a man, can't fathom how anyone could be motivated to rape someone. The mere thought of violating consent to such a degree is physically repulsive to me. And to then add physical assault to that and violate someone who is unconscious, I am at a loss for words. In fact, I can't even being to imagine how you can even go through with that act physically.

    At some level it makes me think that the people perpetrating these acts aren't even human, but that's also a way too convenient excuse to let them off the hook. The really challenging part for me (and I suppose many other men) is accepting that they ARE human, and they walk among us. I have no idea how to deal with this, legitimately.

    I always presume that everyone I meet is a reasonable, non-violent, "normal" person, and it's things like this (rape statistic numbers) that shatter that world view to the point of leaving me simultaneously feeling incredibly angry, powerless, and paranoid about my fellow humans.

    I am so sorry for her and all other victims who've had to experience something so far beyond what I can even begin to imagine, and I know that nothing I say here will make a difference. I hope you're able to heal back to some semblance of yourself before this happened to you, and I will support both monetarily and vocally any effort to eradicate this behaviour from our societies.

    Downvote me if you want for providing this personal perspective in a thread about a victim (and victims) of rape. I don't intend to grandstand here, take attention away from the victim(s), or make myself look like some sort of white knight. I just need a place to share my perspective and I hope Lemmy will allow me to do so.

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