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[–] 55 points 1 week ago (40 children)

Almost anyone can cut and paste a face on a different body using a classic photo editor.

It still takes a profesional to do it in a way that delivers a quality result.

Linus Torvalds is a professional, the linux terminal is his baby, if we can trust anyone on this, its him.

The amateurs using ai to produce slop that resembles what we perceive as quality, is sometimes hard to tell but 25 years ago people though half life 1 looked insanely realistic and that graphics could not possibly look any more real. Over time our brains will adapt and we will be able to tell slop from real work in a heartbeat. I bet most people here can already tell if a mail was written by an llm and not audited by a human with ease.

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  • [–] 88 points 1 week ago (20 children)

    I'm worried about cognitive surrender. There's evidence of people losing skills they once had because they stopped doing it themselves and just get AI to do it for them.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 week ago (4 children)
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    They should run the test with calculators, because they'll see the same effect. Turns out that giving people a tool to make things trivial, and then taking that tool away, halfway through the goddamn exam, is a lot more frustrating than just asking them to do some algebra on paper.

    'Bicycling for just ten miles makes walking back seem like a pain in the ass.'

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  • [–] 15 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    If he's still auditing and understanding the code. Something that he's done as a project manager for decades at this point. I don't see how it will. If the code is generated by a person or a machine. The auditing isn't much different.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    Ironically, I find the LLMs to be better at auditing code than generating it in the first place. Like the humans they trained under, LLMs make mistakes and miss important things in both endeavors, but: when an LLM finds a real problem, that's a win no matter how you look at it.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    Definitely. I just hope that sooner rather than later it's possible for them all to move over to local open source models. Supporting wasteful content thieves is not sustainable.

    That and that all the GPU manufacturers Etc have their sound blaster moment. These days a lot of socs have quite powerful Graphics accelerators on them. At some point, someone's going to release a bit of silicon equivalent to the AC 97. May not have been able to compete with sound blaster on the ridiculously high end of the market. But was good enough for 99% of tasks. So that most people don't even remember sound blaster anymore. Even though they still technically exist.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago

    I have been using "onboard graphics" professionally in our products, including products which do 3D rendering, since 2014.

    I think GPUs have a little longer life than sound blaster cards still in them, massive arrays of relatively simple CPUs have more purposes than just graphics rendering.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 week ago (7 children)

    but isn't using AI inherently unethical?

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  • [–] 21 points 1 week ago* (4 children)

    My subjective opinion is that yeah it is unethical, but not more then so many other things we normalised.

    Systematicly slaughtering animals for meat for example.

    I am not a vegitarian by any means. You cannot fight on all fronts at once and have to pick your own battles in context of your own lifes challenges.

    Cars poison the air and kill many people, i dont drive a car for that reason because thats a fight i can fight. I have sensativities with food, so i am not cutting out meat. (I aim to do so some day)

    I moved to linux some years ago by getting help from an llm which requires datacenters build by malicious companies. I don't have a google or meta account and my cloud and media is hosted locally on recycled hardware. Where for others those services require datacenters build by malicious companies.

    Life is various shades of grey.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Yes, and the people doing mental gymnastics to defend it are unprincipled losers and/or cucks to the billionaires.

    The models used to generate code were built by stealing from us. Fuck whatever stupid opinions you might have on copyright; you were exploited. Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, Sam Altman, etc are making money, corrupting our democracy, and destroying our way of life because they stole our work. They wouldn't be able to do that without the massive theft of labor they've committed, or if our government actually enforced the laws that they broke, and are currently still breaking.

    Why should these scumbags (or anyone) be able to steal and profit from our labor? Are we going to accept our assigned roles as mere cattle for the megacriminals? Will you be happy when your daughter is conscripted as a "breeder" for Elon Musk? Or when your son dies fighting in a war for resources so we can build more data centers?

    Or how about when the subsidized tokens run out, you can't afford to use the models you've become unable to function without, and are forced to go work in an Amazon warehouse or copper mine or some shit because you eagerly and enthusiastically contributed to the monopolization of your own labor, and were too stupid to realize it before it was too late?

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  • [–] 22 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    I can vouch for that: As a programmer, I can generally see both programming AI and general LLM use if it was copy-pasted. I know a guy who isn't a programmer who've used Claude Code to make an app, and things are working, but it's sooo clear even to a junior SE that it's vibe-coded. There's a clear lack of consistency, architecture, maintainability, and general human readability.
    However, if the code/text was reviewed and edited by a capable human programmer, it's incredibly difficult to single out what is a product of AI and not.

    Actual programmers who understand and can write code themselves who use AI simply as a tool, NOT a shortcut, will produce indistinguishable code. Linus is an incredibly smart and capable guy, and for specific uses, I'm confident in him using this tool responsibly.

    (The ethics of AI use is a different topic however...)

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  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    How do you see the longevity of it. You obviously learnt how to code before ai. What about those learning now that are learning only having access to ai. Id anticipate the quality over time will deteriorate

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    I think we'll unfortunately see a degradation over time of capable programmers, as it's with most other things: Humans learn poorly from seeing things being done for them, rather than doing it themselves. AI can be a good resource for iteration and a sort of rubber duck, and even for explaining things (with external confirmation). But as it currently stands, people find it much more attractive to just let AI do the work for them. That's the most prominent work culture after all, based on capitalistic values: Economic growth above all.

    I see it in schools as well, unfortunately: Students find it much more appealing to get good grades than to actually learn. Not everyone, of course, but still way too many.

    And I do understand many of the students: The bar for junior programmers has now increased, as a lot of employers simply think "why hire a human that is on the same level as AI?".

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago

    Students find it much more appealing to get good grades than to actually learn.

    Because there is a direct impact on your chances for a better life. Having better grades give you access to better schools (and in the US, scholarships as well).

    The emphasis of our school system is results.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 week ago

    Linus explained in that Git tag message that he "did what I preach" and used modern LLM tools to make sense of patches that were hard for him to follow.

    It’s already too late. He’s gone down the rabbit hole.

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    [–] 42 points 1 week ago (24 children)

    Meh, its less exciting whenever Claude Code is involved; I am wondering how many undetected bugs will sneak into the kernel. If he was going to use an LLM, he could at least use something local and not connected to one of the many nasty big corps that are ruining shit.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago* (9 children)

    You wouldn't want him using a local model unless he was running some fancy rig that could run a high end frontier model. He might not have such a thing laying around. Using the best out there for something like this is how you help avoid bugs.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    He gets paid more than enough to afford high end hardware.

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    [–] 23 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Watching Torvalds actions tearing this place apart is hilarious

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    [–] 18 points 1 week ago (9 children)

    I'd love to see a pre-AI fork of the Linux kernel.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    I think some of the BSDs have no AI clauses.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

    I ran it all through Slopscore and consulted open-slopware, and here are the results:

    • ⬛ Linux has at least 2,274 slop commits, to date.
    • 🟧 FreeBSD has at least 53 slop commits, including some from Anthropic themselves.
    • 🟨 OpenBSD has a couple of slop commits, but nothing colossal.
    • 🟩 NetBSD had one Claude commit, but apparently the code has been removed. It also requires any AI-generated code to be signed off by the core maintainers before it can be merged.
    • 🟨 DragonFly BSD has at least three slop commits.
    • 🟥 MidnightBSD has at least 292 slop commits.
    • ⬛ NextBSD is entirely vibecoded.
    • 🟩 MirBSD has an anti-AI policy, but only supports i386 and SPARC, and is currently unusable anyway.
    • 🟩 HyperbolaBSD has an anti-AI policy, but hasn't been released yet (they're still a Linux-libre distro).
    • 🟩 CoffeeBSD is a slop-free fork of FreeBSD, but has had no commits since it was forked.
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    [–] 10 points 1 week ago (12 children)

    I honestly trust him. He knows what he's doing. He isn't a kid who just got their hands on a new tool

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    [–] 7 points 1 week ago

    I can see people genuinely switching to NetBSD because of this.

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