As always, more nuance is inside, but some major bullet points:

  • native Linux support for the launcher
  • very openly vibe coded, if that's a line in the sand for you
  • Fortnite will be, but is not yet, updated with a new version of Easy Anti Cheat to be compatible with Linux. Yes, there are versions of EAC compatible with Linux today, but not up to Epic's standards of cheat prevention, and whatever is up to their standards requires coordination with distro maintainers.
  • their FAQ openly mentions the necessity of compatibility layers, but I don't see any mention of native integration with them

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[–] 141 points 5 days ago (20 children)

The OP acknowledges the vibe coding, but the opening from Epic's announcement is worth quoting:

Programming is hard. So, instead of doing that, we vibe coded a new Epic Games Launcher that’s way faster and more responsive than the current one, and has a new look.

It's like they're saying "Our launcher sucks and we couldn't fix it, so we used AI to make a new one". Other companies have been able to make good launchers without AI, but Epic just couldn't do it.

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  • [–] 97 points 5 days ago (3 children)

    Vibe-coding a program that manages and deletes massive amounts of files, what could possibly go wrong?

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  • [–] 37 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    I understand that LLMs are useful tools for programming, that they churn stuff out fast and whatever.

    But I so hate this anti-intellectual, exuberant embrace of ignorance. It's one thing to vibecode out of necessity (those single dev slop projects), or to say you're doing agentic engineering or whatever cleanup label, but it's so frustrating for them to purely vibecode and not even try to hide it. And then to expect us to think it's cute.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

    Dont forget the line "advanced shopping features like a cart"

    I can't believe Tim Swiney is this fucking dumb. My expectations were on the floor and he got a shovel.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    I can't tell if this line is supposed to be self-deprecating or what

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  • [–] 3 points 4 days ago

    It is. The Epic Games Store infamously launched without any of the features that are standard for online stores, like customer reviews or anything more than basic information about the product. They didn't even have a shopping cart, something that was widely mocked at the time, and it was like an entire year before they got around to adding one. The only reason the store got any traction at all was because they used the billions they were making from Fortnite to bribe players with free games if they made an account and visited the store every week.

    I don't know why he'd poke fun at himself like that. The whole thing was the sort of fundamental development failure that you'd normally want everyone to forget about, but here he is giving people excuses to share stories about how incompetent his company is.

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  • [–] 19 points 5 days ago* (5 children)

    That is such whiplash from the culture of engineering excellence Epic was known for.

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  • [–] 37 points 5 days ago (4 children)

    Tim has been on the sauce for a while. He basically does the opposite of everything Valve does. Valve banned blockchain-based games, Epic opened the platform to scams with asset flip "games" attached. Valve regulated AI and required disclosure, Epic is now a safe haven for shovelware and Tim is screaming into the void that publishers should be allowed to hide AI usage.

    Sweeney is like the Shadiversity of gaming. Massively overcompensating for his inferiority complex and forever doomed to live in the shadow of his more successful brother.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 days ago

    the Shadiversity of gaming. Massively overcompensating for his inferiority complex and forever doomed to live in the shadow of his more successful brother.

    I don't know, Shad wrote one of the worst books I've ever had the displeasure of reading, it's pretty hard to beat that.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 days ago (2 children)

    I'm OOTL on what's wrong with Shadiversity. Got a link?

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  • [–] 11 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 child)

    I've got links. Do you have two and a half hours and enough alcohol to numb the pain?

    About the person: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU8xmhI5WjA

    About his disgusting atrocity of a novel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoOnElCEliA

    Summary (cw: mention of fictional rape)

    tl;dw: he's an Australian sword youtuber who practices historical European martial arts (HEMA) and is much criticised by the HEMA community, he's an anti-woke nutjob with a fragile sense of masculinity, he's a gun nut who thinks Australia should have an equivalent to the 2nd amendment (which he's ranted and screamed about at length, showcasing why it's necessary to keep guns away from him), he's an "AI activist" who thinks writing words into a text box makes him an artist (while producing images that, even among his peers, look horrid), and he's the envious brother of the actual, successful artist Jazza (who seems like a genuinely fine dude). He also wrote the novel Shadow of the Conqueror, which is a boring, badly written, preachy self-insert power fantasy, where he moralizes that rape and the resulting pregnancy is good actually because motherhood is wonderful (I'm not paraphrasing that much, and it's still fucking disgusting to think about).

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  • [–] 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

    WTF, Shadiversity is Jazza's brother?! 🤯

    Also, why is he much criticized by the HEMA community? I've watched a few of his videos, but don't know enough about HEMA to understand what's bad about them. Never mind, I'm 10 minutes in on your linked vid and I get it now.

    (The rest of it I didn't know... but I'm not surprised. Oh, and thanks very much for the TL;DW!)

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  • [–] 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

    I frequently use the phrase "coding is hard, let's go shopping" when I encounter a particularly poorly lazily written piece of software. "Coding is hard, can't someone else just do it?" Doesn't seem too far off.

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  • [–] 26 points 4 days ago (4 children)

    "if that's a line in the sand for you"

    Given I'm hearing instances of vibe coded software completely deleting a drive as a way to efficiently uninstall it...it really should be a hard line in the sand for most people. If programming is so hard they can't do it, how can we reasonably trust that the software will be robust? Why would I want to trust it at all?

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    After years and years of Tim Sweeney shitting on Linux, he actually came crawling back.

    Too little too late though, you burned every bridge.

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  • [–] 45 points 5 days ago* (10 children)

    He's not just crawling back, he's actively trying to ruin Linux by introducing kernel-level spyware.

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 5 days ago (2 children)

    I'm definitely not an expert, but it looks like the only software that they're looking to implement above and beyond what comes with your distro is that systemd module, so I think that anti-cheat hook is what we'll have to look out for. It ought to be pretty obvious when it's about to happen, since I think that will be the only time you install a game from a game launcher and get prompted for an admin password for installation.

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  • [–] 22 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 child)

    Requiring a signed kernel+modules plus TPM and Secure Boot attestation is another problem, especially if EAC limits you to approved signing keys since self-signed keys would still allow you to modify the system how you want.

    TPM alone is a non-starter. Loads of people with old PCs moved to Linux in recent years due to Windows 11 requiring a TPM 2.0 chip, and now is hardly the best time to expect people to upgrade their hardware.

    That and the risk of gaming distributions including Epic's crap by default like they do for Steam, though I doubt any distro worth its salt would do so.

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 5 days ago

    TPM alone is a non-starter. Loads of people with old PCs moved to Linux in recent years due to Windows 11 requiring a TPM 2.0 chip, and now is hardly the best time to expect people to upgrade their hardware.

    But then they're no worse off whether on Linux or not. I expect my next PC will have TPM2 enabled by default and will play nicely with everything I use, but I have no intention of using kernel level anti-cheat regardless. If you do want that, and there are people who do, then it's the same thing on Windows except you can use an OS that isn't utter garbage to daily drive.

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  • [–] 27 points 5 days ago (2 children)

    Idk if epic is still doing that, but this image has been sitting on my phone for like 7 years

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  • [–] 10 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

    They swapped from one game you've probably heard of to two obscure indie games each week a while back, but yeah it's still going on. They're almost all forgettable outside of December, when they give out one game a day for the Advent calendar and a AAA game for Christmas.

    They also have a rotation of three free developer assets every few weeks. Most of those are licensed for use in any engine, so it's a good resource for game developers to follow even if they don't use Unreal.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 days ago

    We got Epic Games Launcher on Linux before GTA 6.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 days ago

    requires coordination with distro maintainers

    Which I really hope they just don't get. Fuck Epic and fuck Tim Sweeney.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    Native Linux support doesn't mean support for all distros. Wine is still your best bet.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 days ago (15 children)

    To all the people saying they hope this doesn't work out, do yah want more people on Linux or not? For some, Fortnite will be the killer game that they have to stay on Windows for.

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    [–] 3 points 4 days ago

    Please vibe code the anti cheat. Wanna see it fall so badly

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  • [–] 5 points 5 days ago

    Ew epic games

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  • [–] 6 points 5 days ago

    Nuke it from orbit.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 days ago

    Ew. Time to switch to BSD.

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