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I was just sitting at the mall taking a break from mall walking. A man walked over to me when I wasn't even looking up. He said "I haven't seen you here before. " I said I wasn't really here to talk to people and got up and walked away. He said he would leave, he may even have said sorry. I said I was ready to leave anyway. In retrospect I think he may have just been slightly mentally challenged so I wish I had been a little softer, he did not turn out to be aggressive. Looking for suggestions on something still clear and firm but more polite? This scared me for some reason, I think how fast he walked up and sat down near me.

Editing to add a key detail, he sat down close to me which is probably what made me more nervous than I would have otherwise been. I appreciate all the thoughtful feedback I've gotten and interesting discussion.

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[–] -1 points 5 days ago (2 children)

He's not mentally challenged, you are socially challenged. It's perfectly normal in the real world for two people who don't yet know each other to have a little talk or banter without being afraid.

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  • [–] 98 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    I think it's good you listened to your instincts and were firm. If he has a disability that makes social things complicated, being obvious was a favor to him. If he did have bad intentions, your immediate willingness to leave showed you weren't an easy mark.

    There are probably good scripts for this, but I don't know them. I just think you should know it doesn't sound like you handled it badly.

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  • [–] 83 points 1 week ago (26 children)

    You know, somehow we have got to get back to the place where strangers can talk to each other in public places. I understand your position and why you needed to do that. I just regret the fact that conversations in public seem to be a lost art.

    My dad is one of those people who makes friends everywhere he goes - talking to people in elevators, etc. and people react well to it. Everybody can't be that outgoing and shouldn't be. But I think the % of people who can do that now is going to be much less than it was in the past, which is a shame.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    It is a shame, but it's not simply individual personal attitudes that's causing this. People are afraid of strangers. The problem is, there are too many cases where that's actually justified now.

    The bad people have in fact ruined it for everybody. They have made it legitimately dangerous to have this sort of openness and trust in most slices of society, at least for people who look and behave a certain way, or were born certain ways. The problem is, under the influence of traditional media and social media and government and all the other dysfunctional and corrupt systems in our society, we've started tolerating the actually bad and dangerous people in society, instead of punishing them. Often we're actually celebrating them, and in some cases even electing them President. It makes it almost impossible to sustain a functioning society when bad people are allowed to do bad things with impunity or worse, reward for their behavior. This is what's causing the breakdown of society. Trust is hard to build and easily broken, and now it's been broken and it seems like fewer and fewer people are interested in trying to rebuild it.

    Why the fuck would women trust anyone in this society when allegedly half of the people in the world's most economically powerful and culturally influential country voted for a party who is now occasionally saying women shouldn't have the right to make decisions about their own bodies or even have the right to vote. These horrifyingly regressive attitudes are not just extremist throwaway comments because they are being paired with actions in the US and around the world, and they have serious consequences.

    And yes, I am allowed to bring politics into this, because society is literally made out of politics. That's what politics is, it's the primary ingredient for making civilization function and it defines how it functions. Our aversion to discussing contentious "politics" is what has allowed society to decay to the point it has. This is not about being "woke" this is about being intelligent enough to want to live in a civilized society. Civilization requires not just moral boundaries but also the willingness to treat those who push at or exceed those moral boundaries as an existential threat, because they are. If you want your society to be good, you cannot tolerate evil. The boundaries and definitions are not always clear, but we must grapple with them as they stand, not avoid them. Grappling with these issues is the day-to-day work required to make civilization function. It is not a failing that we will always have these issues and always struggle with these issues, but it is a failing if we stop trying to struggle with them, because then we're no longer keeping society functioning. Politics is life. Life is politics.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago* (2 children)

    The irony here is that... you are one of those bad people.

    You're entire attitude here is the pure hostility and suspicion without any evidnece to back it up.

    A random stranger on the street has nothing to do with Epstein or Trump, and your assumption they do until otherwise proven 'innocent' an incredibly toxic and hostile way of living life.

    Perhaps you should stop obsessing over this stupid shit because you have no control over it and never will. Nor will anyone else who isn't also part of the social elite.

    Your political beliefs also have no bearing on your personal deeds with other people. Plenty of hardcore leftist liberals lie, cheat, and steal and would do so from you if given the opportunity. Perhaps even you yourself have done those things, and you certainly seem to think they'd be justified against the 'enemy' you imagine is lurking around every corner.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 days ago*

    Your political beliefs also have no bearing on your personal deeds with other people.

    I find this highly unlikely. Both stem from your internal sense of morality / your values / the way you see the world, and will be influenced accordingly and therefore very related.

    Speaking of which:

    A random stranger on the street has nothing to do with Epstein or Trump

    A third of the US voted for the latter. Anyone willing to put him in charge is delusional in their judgement to the point that I would consider myself in danger if I needed to rely on them. Not to mention that, as above, their moral axioms are likely to be disgusting, and that affects how they will treat me. Most social interactions can go fine, but any sort of extended relationship will not be.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    I say hi to almost everyone I pass. This gets me some weird looks when I'm away from home where people are not as friendly. I absolutely understand why women don't do the same. At least 50% of guys are dangerously delusional in how they view and approach interacting with women. If I was a chick, I would be Lesbian as fuck on safety grounds alone.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 week ago

    Honestly the fact heterosexual women still exist is proof enough to me that sexuality isn’t a choice. What woman would willingly choose to coin flip whether or not they’ll be a crime statistic every time they go for a date?

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    [–] 39 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Approaching a woman to strike up a conversation is a bit of a fine art to do it in a way that doesn't skeeve them the fuck out and plopping your ass down right next to them is definitely in the list of don'ts. Hell I'm a guy and I'd be skeeved out a bit if this happened to me.

    You did nothing wrong and I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt of just being socially unaware since he didn't press it.

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    [–] 37 points 1 week ago

    People have to shoot their shot somehow.

    It's fine to not be interested, neither one of you did anything wrong.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    You’re fine, he may have been mentally challenged, he may be immersed in a mall walking social group that has formed there and thought it was a risk worth taking based on previously successful or milder experiences, but you are well within your rights socially and everything else to be firm and curt and avoidant. I applaud your continued assessment and concern, it shows you actually care about people’s feelings, so imo you’re fine and will do great with whatever options you go with in the future. If you want my suggestion for a slightly easier refusal, I’d maybe just say “I really do appreciate your being social and being welcoming, I’m just not up for socializing today, sorry” and that should do it. But I think you did fine.

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    [–] 25 points 1 week ago

    ‘I’m not really here to talk’ and leaving isn’t rude at all, don’t sweat it. If you had screamed at him that he was a creepy POS or something then you’d have a good reason to feel bad if he had some kind of intellectual/developmental disability, but you didn’t, and even if he does there’s a point where you have to learn you’re not a cute kid who can just walk up to people at random and start talking to them anymore (or at least not have everyone be as receptive to it).

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  • [–] 18 points 1 week ago (7 children)

    It is totally reasonable to react the way you did. You don't owe it to other people to be comfortable around them. They should be thinking about what they can do to make you comfortable, ideally before they do it, and this guy clearly wasn't. If it is because of some disability or something that's totally plausible too, but that's his problem and his cross to bear, not yours. You weren't rude or cruel, but you were uncomfortable, and you're allowed to be. If he is capable of learning from that, maybe he will, and I think it would be a good lesson for him to learn.

    You don't have to feel bad about it, it makes sense that you regret how the interaction turned out after the fact, but that regret comes from the additional information and processing time you had afterwards to think about it. If you want to reconsider that guy as a possibly decent fellow who deserves another chance in retrospect that's alright, and maybe if you see him again you can extend a little more tolerance for his behavior if you think it's safe. But it doesn't mean you were wrong in the first place. In general, you should trust your instincts and listen to them, they're just trying to keep you safe, and better safe than sorry. You should not have to be scared of a man sitting down next to you, but the way some men act in the world we live in, you have every right to. It's sad, but it's realistic, and you are not responsible for solving this problem on society's behalf. When we've built a society where you can have a man sit next to you and feel safe about it, then that'll be great. But we're not there yet.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    They should be thinking about what they can do to make you comfortable, ideally before they do it, and this guy clearly wasn't.

    I agree that OP's reaction was reasonable but what about the guy's actions make it so clear to you that he wasn't thinking about OP's comfortability? They tried to strike up a friendly conversation and backed off immediately when it wasn't well-received.

    It's fine to not want to talk but people really shouldn't have to avoid basic human interaction just because 1% of people might not be interested at that time.

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    [–] 15 points 1 week ago (7 children)

    I think people who are socially inept are often advised to strike up innocuous little throwaway conversations with strangers in public places to improve their ability to interact. Unfortunately this is also exactly the MO of killers in CSI programmes.

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    [–] 12 points 1 week ago

    you dint do anything wrong. i witnessed several times on public transit, and stores, that they would approach women and get in thier face, and try to "flirt" witht them.

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