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[–] 158 points 2 years ago (7 children)

As long as he keeps saying he's a free speech absolutist, we have to believe him.... Right?

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  • [–] 81 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    He seems to be very much in favor of his own speech being completely free of any relation to reality.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Elon should be allowed to say whatever he wants without anyone contradicting or fact checking him. His power to be free to say whatever he wants should be absolute!

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  • [–] 69 points 2 years ago

    People need to get off this stupid platform. It was bad before without Elon, now it's just the worse.

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  • [–] 62 points 2 years ago

    Fash support fash.

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  • [–] 42 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Musk will always side with the fascist or the dictator.

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  • [–] 30 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Ah, so Turkey is who gave Twitter $1bn recently.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    Someone needs to make an inverse-xwitter platform. You're only allowed to tweet if you prove you've been banned on X.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago

    Hey Turkish people; Mastodon, Pleroma & Akkoma are a thing Use it & join the Fediverse

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  • [+] 2 points 2 years ago*

    i mean he did it the last time their were elections in turkey too..

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    People still use Shitter?

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  • [+] -12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I get that it's trendy to bash Elon, but he has always said that X would attempt to follow local laws:

    By “free speech”, I simply mean that which matches the law. I am against censorship that goes far beyond the law. If people want less free speech, they will ask government to pass laws to that effect. Therefore, going beyond the law is contrary to the will of the people.

    He has pushed back on countries who attempt to push their censorship dictates on the world -- hence, why many of the account suspensions are only in effect within Turkey:

    Some accounts appear to be suspended only in Turkey and not in the rest of the world.

    Larger question: Why is Elon/X getting more flak than the authoritarian douchebag -- Erdoğan -- and his cronies in the judiciary who are censoring and jailing political opponents?

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    I don't like the either/or, but I think Elon is an easier target in the Anglosphere. But the US government, of which Elon is a part, has been enabling authoritarian douchebags, and even if this act is consistent with the company's pragmatic compliance choices, it also aligns with the US administration's general tendency. And Elon has in other cases shown that his commitment to free speech is pretty weak if it's speech that he doesn't like.

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  • [+] -21 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    No matter how much I dislike Musk, I don't think he's giving that much choice. Erdogan is a dictator who has the power to block X altogether. A real free speech advocate would not succcumb to the pressure of a repressive government, but the article does imply Musk is not the initiator of these bans: "Musk himself said that "the choice is have Twitter throttled in its entirety or limit access to some tweets." He said X would publicly post the Turkish government's requests."

    Not saying we shouldn't put Tesla's on fire tho.

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  • [–] 35 points 2 years ago

    Yeah so the solution there is to not just bow down to a dictator. If they want to block Twitter altogether, let them. Let's not pretend that Musk isn't willingly going along with that.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago

    He only cares about laws when he wants to. He literally controls the internet over their head with Starlink. He could have uncensored Twitter on there and FYIWDWYTM. He isn't powerless. He is, once again, selectively deciding who gets free speech.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Erdogan is a dictator who has the power to block X altogether.

    Does it really make a difference whether it's Erdogan or Musk who silences these people?

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    For the people on the streets it doesn't change anything, but it's weird how little blame Erdogan is getting here.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Because he is getting blamed all the time, no one is defending that piece of shit. He has been a thorn in everybodys side for very long.

    Musk, on the other hand, is still seen as a genious hero by some people.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    Just because most everyone agrees doesn’t mean you should stop. The vast majority of Lemme seems to agree that Musk is a piece of shit, but I’m going to keep point it out anyway.

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