Microsoft is being sued by a man who feels cheated by the current plans to sunset Windows 10. He makes some good points, but I doubt he'll win.

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[–] 231 points 1 year ago* (40 children)

He'd probably have an easier time with the lawsuit if instead of appealing to upgrade logic, he just went with, I don't know...

THE TIME MICROSOFT PUBLICLY ANNOUNCED WINDOWS 10 WOULD BE THE LAST NUMBERED VERSION AND THAT THEY'D NEVER NEED TO UPGRADE OS VERSION AGAIN.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-32658340

Pepperidge Farm remembers, Microsoft scum.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Nixon wasn’t speaking authoritatively there, I believe both he and M$ clarified that. And the “correlating” announcement was more “we will be continuously updating windows 10” unlike the assumed by many people to mean “perpetually” which is just silly.

    You’re telling me you expected windows 10 to remain forever the last Windows version? Maybe if they decided to rename the OS moving forward.

    I suppose you could take the stance of it just becoming versioned in the same way Linux distros are, but then you just get left being on an old version of Windows 10.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    No, I didn't expect that, which is why it was stupid to say it in the first place. You can't turn this around and put it on the customer to have to read between the lines what the business is trying to actually say. How about, the multi-billion dollar company that has entire buildings full of lawyers doesn't make claims that it can't back up?

    I'm not saying it's right to expect that the Windows operating system was never going to have to have a paid upgrade again, but it was also stupid and wrong to make the claim that it wouldn't. That's on them. Nobody held a gun to their head and told them to lie to their customers and then later claim they didn't mean it. And furthermore, why give them the benefit of the doubt? You think if you were in trouble because of something stupid you said, Microsoft is going to come to your aid? Is it being fair? To a company that wouldn't care if they accidentally bankrupted you with a forced update?

    And sure, they can "clarify"all they want that he didn't mean the words that he said precisely and accurately in unambiguous English. It doesn't change the fact that he's not some random employee. He is an executive. He knows, and everyone else should know as well, that he speaks as a representative of the company. Otherwise what's to keep them from lying through their teeth about whatever features they want? "It prints free money! It'll cure all your diseases! No, no.. he didn't mean that."

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

    No, they never did. Yes, it was all over the news, but they literally didn't. Go be angry at media for making stuff up. You don't have to believe me, go ahead and find that announcement yourself. You won't because there was never such an announcement.

    Notice how even the article you linked doesn't give a full quote? It just quotes someone saying "last version" without any context of the sentence it was used in? I will give you the full quote where that comes form. Someone asked a Microsoft developer what they are currently working on, and the answer was:

    ”Right now we’re releasing Windows 10, and because Windows 10 is the last version of Windows, we’re all still working on Windows 10.”

    It is obvious from context "last version" meant "latest version" here. And that misreading of a quote, conveniently not included in most articles, is the only source for all these news. No announcement. No journalist actually asking Microsoft about it. Just a fleeting comment by one Microsoft employee that obviously meant something else, in an answer about something else, but why let that get in the way of a good story.

    And this was an answer to an audience question in a "Tiles, Notifications, and Action Center” presentation by a single Microsoft developer, on a developer conference. The absolute last place to look for a ground-breaking announcement about Microsoft's future.

    The company said it had yet to decide on what to call the operating system beyond Windows 10.

    And the exact same article you linked confirms Microsoft is still deciding on the name for the next Windows? Which would make no sense if there was no next Windows?

    "There will be no Windows 11," warned Steve Kleynhans, a research vice-president at analyst firm Gartner.

    There will be no Windows 11, says some guy who doesn't work at Microsoft.

    And then a bunch of cherry picked quotes about continous updates being a good thing. Yep, continous updates, just like we got in Windows Vista, and that have nothing to do with there not being new Windows versions.

    Modern journalism is useless. Someone made up a thing, everyone else copied it. And not a single media outlet actually asked Microsoft about it. No one. Or maybe they did, but the answer meant there is no news, so let's ignore it.

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    [–] 88 points 1 year ago (20 children)

    Looking into switching to Linux...

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  • [–] 49 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    May you run into a nerd with a Ventoy USB full of beginner-friendly distros in their back pocket to help you along your journey.

    There are at least two of us out there, I’m sure of it.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Do it.

    If you have an old laptop, put Linux on it, get comfortable using it. Then when you are ready, make the full switch on your main computer.

    I have used Linux for a few years mostly on my servers, but that's what I did to get used to the desktop experience. I setup a second SSD to have the option of dual booting if I needed it. That was back in March and I haven't booted into Windows once.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    As someone who recently made the switch, DM me if there's anything I can help with. A lot of the Linux Bros on here will be completely unhelpful out of smug superiority. Also, if you have an HP, you will almost certainly have to do a LOT more work (I had to learn to edit GRUB config files pre-startup). It will be much easier if you don't have an HP. Anyway, open offer. Also, do Linux Mint.

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    [–] 82 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Hey, Microsoft said 10 was the last version of Windows...

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  • [–] 69 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm old enough to remember when MS said Windows 10 would be the last Windows and they'd just update it over time.

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  • [–] 66 points 1 year ago

    The assumption that you'll lose a lawsuit against a large corporation probably stops a lot of viable lawsuits from ever happening - good for him for giving it a go.

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  • [–] 52 points 1 year ago (26 children)

    I hope he wins.

    Windows peaked with XP. 7 was alright. 8 was a free fall of a downward slide falloff.

    Appified overly complicated slop and bloat filled garbage ever since.

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Win 2k pro was best. Fight me;) I hated the fisher price look of XP.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    IDK I liked 7 pretty much as much as I like XP. For me it was 10 that was just alright.

    My brother convinced me to switch to 11 when I built my most recent gaming desktop and I somewhat regret listening to him but I know dual booting is a waste of time for me and I'm not quite ready to make the full jump to Linux because my desktop has a 4070 Super. It'll ahve to wait until my next PC. Fortunately, I don't have the version of 11 with Recall pre-installed at least.

    I use my Steam Deck more than my gaming desktop these days anyway.

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    [–] 48 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    The end of the article misses one possible way to deal with your computer, migrating to Linux. It's not possible for all the mass of people, but it's still a possibility.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    I feel like Linux right now is where Windows was in the XP days. for 90% of users it will work out of the box for them. They will be able to check their email, watch YouTube, doom scroll on their choose social media. The challenge is that for the other 10%, the learning curve is a lot steeper than XP was. The learning curve problem is compounded by the massive pile of guide for deprecated sub systems.

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    [–] 39 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    People will do ANYTHING but switch to linux, huh.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Some key software I need to use doesn’t work on Linux, and is unlikely to be able to in the near future, sorry. I did use Linux for a while, mind you, and I more or less like it… but a computer is only useful if it runs the software you need to do the things you want to do with it.

    I don’t want to downgrade to windows 11, but I’m going to be forced to. And to even do that I’m going to need to bypass the hardware authenticator, as I’m apparently ever so slightly behind their so-called minimum requirements, which aren’t really minimum requirements but just a push to get me to buy a new PC I don’t need.

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    [–] 31 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Never forget we were told Windows 10 would be the last version. That all updates from then on would be only to Windows 10.

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    [–] 21 points 1 year ago (32 children)

    I agree that windows should not stop supporting previous versions of windows. Especially when going from windows 10 to 11 wasn't at all that big of a change. They very easily could have waited longer before making windows 11 the standard or even windows 11 period because it was not that big of a change.

    Unfortunately they did not do anything illegal in my opinion but we'll have to see how this plays out I guess.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The issue isn’t so much about the actual OS change, as it is about their dumb forced requirement of a TPM. A lot of perfectly fine PC’s don’t have one or don’t have it enabled, as it can cause headaches. If they dropped that requirement, a lot fewer people would care about the switch.

    I’ve got an ROG B550E motherboard in my PC, built in July 2021. It’s perfectly fine, perfectly capable. Big ‘ole 3090 in it, plenty of ram… I have zero need to upgrade right now.

    It has a firmware TPM option, but that involves doing stuff like updating the bios, configuring some stuff and runs the risk of potentially breaking something. Now, I’m willing to give that a go if push comes to shove, but your average consumer just doesn’t want to deal with that hassle.

    Which means that a lot of folks are going to be running an unsupported OS or buying new PC’s when the old ones are still more than capable. You can guess what I think will happen…

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    Good, fuck ‘em.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Even if he does win, it's still Windows, still under their control. It'd be maliciously and quite supraliminaly enshittified until it's unusable. Just slap on a CachyOS or anything else open source

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    [–] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Its a fun fantasy but Microsofts pockets are way too deep to lose to some avarage joe.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    🐧🐧*🐧🐧🐧=🐧🐧🐧🐧🐧🐧

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    I've seen this episode before. something, something, WinXP.

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