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Broke: Space Marines can't be feeeeeemale because the geneseed chemicals only work on men (hexbear.net)
submitted 8 months ago by ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net to c/games@hexbear.net
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Woke: That doesn't even make sense, stop being weird

Bespoke: Space Marines can't be feeeeeemale because they're all gay for each other. It's just a giant polycule. they ain't talking about war when they call each other "battle brother".

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[–] Esoteir@hexbear.net 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

masterstroke: warhammer lore reeks now, the setting takes itself too seriously and isn't enjoyable satire anymore, and if they released women space marines in 2002 they would have just said "The Lost Primarch Guineverus brings her cyberglaive to the empire's aid as Amazis Prime is released from the warp along with the previously thought lost Venusian Geneseed, buy our new figures to fight for the empire" or something instead of this weird beating around the bush to appease the unironic nazi ass fanbase

not that the setting wasn't always cryptonazi with the tradcath aesthetic but the pandering has become real and any pretense of satire or goofy elements has pretty much been abandoned

RETVRN to dawn of war 1 cutscenes, franchise fuckin peaked there

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Begging Hexbears to plz read the Warhammer crime novels or you know anything past 2014

It's not 2009 anymore, the lore rebounded, the satire returned and everything lorewise is pretty decent, besides the BULLSHIT neglect of the Leagues of Votann and the occasional dipping into ugly tacticool aesthetics

[–] somename@hexbear.net 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I say this as someone who does enjoy some 40k media. It’s not a real satire.

It can’t be a satire until there’s a real alternative shown to the empire, at least hypothetically. Not while there are things in the lore that actually ‘justify’ a fascist response. Not until every rebellion stops being chaos or genestealers.

Speaking of genestealers, take them as an example. Nothing about them adds to a satire of fascism. They do the opposite. They show fascism as correct. Evil outsiders coming into poison the bloodlines of the people, to drive them to madness and revolution, and the only solution is to kill all of them. That’s not a satire.

[–] Murple_27@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It can’t be a satire until there’s a real alternative shown to the empire, at least hypothetically. Not while there are things in the lore that actually ‘justify’ a fascist response. Not until every rebellion stops being chaos or genestealers.

You should play 40k Rogue Trader then, and just take the Iconoclast options all to their logical conclusions. I would rather not spoil the effect of it, but I can DM some good outcomes if you like.

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

All I know about satire is that satire is supposed to exaggerate the real-life target it's mocking and real-life fascists have specialized cum extraction units that anally probe their fallen brethren in order to extract their precious seed. So, if WH40k was an actual satire, then geneseeds should be stored in the prostate and can only be extracted when a battle brother anally fists their fallen brother with a specialized power fist. It's not satire if your fictional portrayal of fascists downplays how ridiculous fascists are in real life.

[–] somename@hexbear.net 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, generally the best way to make fascists feel stupid is to make them seem weird or dorky.

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Fascists are grossly incompetent, and that's one of the things that's missing in almost all "satirical" portrayal of fascists, which makes sense since Western society was only ever against fascism during WWII when they were forced to be. And it's very telling how it was during 1939-1945 when satirical portrayal of fascists actually highlights how stupid and incompetent they are. Part of it was just how popular slapstick was during that time, but seriously, go watch actual satirical portrays of fascists during that time. The tone is completely different from modern "satirical" portrayals.

There's the classic Schichlegruber Doing the Lambeth Walk, which took footage from Triumph of the Will and edited the footage so it looked like Nazis were dancing to some popular music that the Nazis themselves denounced as "Jewish mischief and animalistic hopping." The obvious message of the short film was that Nazis were incompetent buffoons who only knew how to march and not even march that well.

The stupid and incompetent WH40k faction are orks, not space marines. Space marines are what fascists think they are while orks are what fascists actually are. Hell, even calling them orks gives them too much credit because orks aren't that cowardly.

[–] Murple_27@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Fascists are grossly incompetent, and that’s one of the things that’s missing in almost all “satirical” portrayal of fascists

It is present in 40k tho.

Space marines are what fascists think they are while orks are what fascists actually are. Hell, even calling them orks gives them too much credit because orks aren’t that cowardly.

TBH, not all Space Marines are sane, or competent. That's really just a handful chapters, and specifically usually the Ultramarines. Marines Malevolent function basically in the exact same way that IRL special forces do (gleefully sadistic, murderhorny, criminal psychos), and basically everyone hates working with them as a result of that. It's really only when viewed at an absolute surface level that any of the things that fascists supposedly "like" about 40k appear to be even remotely correct, and even then only if you're wearing blinders.

The instant you start looking under the hood at things like the Ecclesiarchy & the Imperial Nobility it becomes extremely obvious that the rot is terminal & inextricable from how the Imperium as a society is structured.