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I go to a programming school, where there were computers running ancient windows 8 and some were on windows 10, they ran really slow and were completely unrelaible when doing the tasks that are required, those computers in question had either i5-4750 (I think?) or i7-4970 so running windows 10 with all its bloat was not going to be an easy task for em, so long story short I decided to talk to the principal about it explaining why linux is so much better than windows and gave him reasons why linux will be better for us for education and he agreed after considering it for a bit, he let me know that some students play roblox or minecraft in middle of the lesson and he asks if linux would stop em from doing that, I stated that as long as they dont know how to work with wine/lutris or know any specific linux packages that run windows games on linux they should not be able to play in the middle of lessons. he gave me the green light to do it, so I spent like 3 days migrating like 20+ computers to linux (since I had to set them up and install some required applications for them) in the last day where I was doing a last check up on the PCs to make sure they are in working order, there was a computer having a problem of which where it didnt boot, I let the principal know about this to get permission to work on it, he said yes, so after some troubleshooting I realized the boot order was all screwed, so since Ive worked with arch before I knew how to fix it, I booted up linux mint live image, chrooted, and fixed the boot order and computer went back to life, prinicipal came in checked on everything to make sure everything works, told me to wait for a bit, and then came back and paid me for his troubles (was a bit of a surprised since I expected nothing of the sort), the next day I came to school, sat down, turned PC on, noticed something was in the trash bin, opened it, found "robloxinstall.exe" on it, told the principal about it, he was pleased with it, so now 2 weeks later he seems now to be confident about linux, as he told me there is another class he is considering to move to linux.

so my question here would be: does this mean linux now is ready for the education sector?

(considering now, that I got a win win situation, I get to use an OS that I like in school, students gets to focus on the lessons instead of slacking.)

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[–] tibi@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (5 children)

When I was in high school, computers had Deep Freeze setup, because kids would constantly break the OS and download malware. It's a software that resets the C drive to a known state on every reboot. You might consider using something similar on classroom workstations.

Also, it might be worth learning about network booting, automating the Linux installer and ansible to install things on every machine at once and automate configuration work.

[–] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

I've always wondered how these solutions worked but never found much info about 'em

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[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Roblox in the trash AHAHAHAHA

Beautiful effort!!

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[–] hornedfiend@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wish I could do that when my school computers had Dos and Turbo Pascal. Ah, the good old himem.sys times. Miles better than W11.

[–] aqua_cat@pawb.social 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)
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[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 194 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Woohoo, some hacker kid is about to install Sober and Prism and will be the hero for everyone.

My kid's elementary school has a computer club handling all the PCs. The other day they were surprised to hear that the PCs they were playing GCompris, Ktuberling, Pingus, Super Tux, Tuxpaint and Tux Kart on are running Linux.

[–] xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 132 points 2 days ago (9 children)

another example of: one of the best ways to teach children is to trick them.
try to force them to use linux and the terminal? booooring, hell no….
give them linux computers without games?
they’re 1337 haxors in two weeks… with skills that will help them for life….
especially if they ever get locked in a building with velociraptors….

[–] grillgamesh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 66 points 2 days ago (5 children)

that's how I learned firewalls and networking lmao

couldn't access my games, so I found ways around the firewalls and network blocks, just to play on coolmathgames lmao

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[–] merde@sh.itjust.works 124 points 2 days ago (3 children)

you're lucky to have an open-minded principle

[–] pulido@lemmings.world 56 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Principal*

Not being pedantic, just thought I'd let you and others know there are multiple ways to spell this word.

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[–] The_Caretaker@lemm.ee 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Bill Gates is responsible for Common Core which has enshitified the education systems of many states. Anything the schools do to stop giving money to Microsoft is a good move.

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[–] kylian0087@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

For such a setup I think it Is a good idea to look in to freeipa/idm. Would make management a load more easy. centralized account control and being able to sit at any PC and login with your own credentials is one of the many benefits.

[–] muusemuuse@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Don't distros like ubuntu and fedora tie into active directory pretty cleanly anymore? You could use your schools existing infrastructure with linux clients

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[–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 16 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Little side note

those computers in question had either i5-4750 (I think?) or i7-4970 so running windows 10 with all its bloat was not going to be an easy task

The i7-4790K is still quite powerful, so I'm pretty sure this wasn't the problem, at all. Perhaps they're running on an HDD, have little RAM, or you got the CPU wrong.

You can see the CPU and RAM by launching System Info from tbf start menu, and see if it's running on an SSD or HDD by launching Disks from the menu.

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[–] Zink@programming.dev 29 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Linux Mint is probably the perfect educational OS to switch to like that. I’m assuming most people are coming from Windows, are mouse+gui only, and are not used to being their own admin and installing all the basics like Firefox and libreoffice.

But it’s still Linux, so the user friendliness doesn’t mean you are locked out from going on tech or customization deep dives. Daily terminal user here, still love me some mint.

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[–] markstos@lemmy.world 89 points 2 days ago (6 children)

There is way to do this that works with even older computers and is easy to manage.

That’s with Edubuntu and thin-client computing using the Linux Terminal Server project, LTSP.

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook/Chapter_5_-_Thin-Client_Computing

In that model, you install Linux once on a server. Each computer in the lab is set to boot over the network from the server.

This way there is one computer to maintain, the users can’t access root and all the storage is centralized.

Even old computers with low CPU and RAM and no hard drive can make good thin clients.

A number of schools have been using this approach for 15+ years.

https://www.edubuntu.org/

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[–] PumpkinSkink@lemmy.world 64 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Just a funny story, but, I use an Ubuntu laptop as my work computer as a teacher, and once, while I was helping another student with work, a student opened my laptop and began trying to install Roblox. She got far enough to figure out it wouldn't work, and started searching for how to install it. When I came over she was trying to figure out how to set up Wine. She got pretty close to getting it working before I came over. I was secretly pretty impressed with how fast she figured it out. It couldn't have been more than a few minutes.

[–] Ace120C@sopuli.xyz 40 points 2 days ago (5 children)

that's actually an interesting story, makes you wonder if kids nowadys do get exposed to linux first and not windows, would actually learn it faster than having to unlearn windows first?

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[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 day ago (4 children)

But if you left tomorrow would they be able to admin them?

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[–] pineapple@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's an awesome story. If all your doing is browsing the Web or using applications that can easily and stably run on linux or have drop in replacements then linux would definitely be totally viable. On the other hand if you need to install specific proprietary applications and you have to rely on wine then maybe not.

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[–] neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Before I read the text, I was going to ask,

"Umm did they know you were doing it?" It would be funny if you just did it without asking leaving them wondering, "How the hell did this happen?"

[–] turtlesareneat@discuss.online 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You know it's bad when Shadow IT starts migrating your inventories.

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[–] bonnashejve 9 points 1 day ago (3 children)

When I studied in university - all our computer classes were running Linux, and it was many years ago! Linux proved its effectiveness. When we had russian cyber attack on our banks (virus Petya)- our bank system survived thanks to Linux). Nowadays when twitter, facebook chose nazism - there is only one option to go to decentralized media

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[–] Samsy@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago

Did the same some years ago. It was for the gap between win7 and 10.

Everyone told me it was the best productive time. Because users can't install stuff and my network blocked a lot of dumb shit.

But now we got new win 11 PCs and every user is back on solitaire or shady websites.

[–] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 53 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Linux was always ready for the education sector. I think already for 10 years now.

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[–] starstriker@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It takes one technology inclined person to set it up, it's just takes another one to find a workaround, now the success of Linux in preventing gamers from doing their think depends on whether the second person decides to make the workaround known

[–] Ace120C@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

yes but they will have to learn the OS, thats also a good thing

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[–] Paddy66@lemmy.ml 69 points 2 days ago (2 children)

lol I thought this was a guerrilla IT warfare post where you snuck in and did it, but you actually did it with permission.... 😂

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[–] tehn00bi@lemmy.world 36 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Linux over here being all environmental and shit.

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[–] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 71 points 2 days ago (2 children)

this is actually so insanely epic, good job!

pretty cool of the principal too to allow you to do stuff like this

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[–] bpev@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Focus on lessons instead of slacking, eh?

workstation013 is not in the sudoers file. 
This incident will be reported.
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[–] gerdesj@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You have done a remarkable job already.

Linux is a free and open operating system. The licence for it - GNU Public License v2 is designed to grant you and me and my wife and your family and everyone everywhere rights and not restrict our rights. The only restriction with the GPL is that if you make a change to the code, that you make it available to everyone.

Education should be about teaching concepts and ideas and ideals. I think it should not involve artificial costs that might constrain access to a full and fruitful education. Those costs might even involve ... thou shalt update to Windows 11 and your laptop's CPU is not good enough.

Please keep on doing what you are doing, in your way. When you have your school running as you think it should, there is a good chance that you will be asked to do the same thing for other schools.

Please make sure you have the full support of your school principal (I think that is the right term - I'm from Britain so we might have different names for jobs)

I run a small IT company in the UK and I am trying to put together a distribution and so on for my company. Perhaps I should try your approach and be a bit more direct.

Cheers mate Jon

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[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 46 points 2 days ago (4 children)

This is a great story, and you should be really proud of yourself! Good job :). I used Linux through college and had very few issues (that I can remember!)

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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