Fucking Christ the people that run Mozilla have brain worms. They are at the 10 yard line and just need to run it in, but they've tied their shoes together. Chrome enshitification is at light speed, and edge sucks and always sucked. All they have to do is the basics and they will become popular again.
this post was submitted on 13 Sep 2025
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Well stated. I couldn't fuck it up worse if I was doing it on purpose.
...this might just push me onto a different browser. WHY?
Because they allowed AI and ad-revenue lovers into their leadership. This was predicted like 2 years ago.
Just use one of the forks that removes all the bloat from firefox.
On mobile there's a browser that is gecko based but not Firefox based It's called WebLibre but there's no other option for desktop as far as I know
i looked at their readme:
Local AI Assistance: Use on-device AI models to group tabs and manage containers effortlessly.
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It's a SLM not a LLM it has existed since a long while in its simple form it has gotten advanced now from spellchecking to understanding what the text means, it doesn't need to crawl every day for data you train it once on a much smaller training set stuff like LanguageTool have used it for a long time, and it uses way less power it's not the bad kind of AI.
JFC no one wants this, stop being shit.
I honestly don't see much of a future for Firefox with all the recent push towards becoming just another corporate slop browser. We already have enough of those.
Hello there! I see you're trying to read a website...
So is there an alternative to Firefox that works across devices and let's me run a decent adblocker?
Librefox
They can't help themselves.
Why do they waste resources on AI?
The guys on late night Linux talked about this a while back. I don't think it's necessarily the right strategy for Firefox, but it's helpful context.
Basically, mozilla isn't doing this for us. We're already firefox people. They're don't it for other people, and corporations, who are not already ff users.
I can see how something like this could diminish barriers for non users.
For my own part I hope librewolf or some other fork excludes these features.
Diminish barriers for a Web browser?
Yes. For some users no AI assistant would be a barrier to adoption.
Nobody I know would want that. Just curious, for what kind of person would this be a desired feature?
Again, you and the people you know aren't the market they're trying to attract.
I dont really know who would want it, but obviously mozilla does, presuming they've done some market research.
My guess would be managed corporate infrastructure.
I know some corporates. I don't think anyone wants chat in their browser.
So, you know more about mozilla's target market than mozilla does, without the benefit of whatever market research they've done ?
Sure, mozilla seems to be governed by idiots and has made a never ending series of bad decisions over the last decade, but I'm certain that they have a market for their Gen AI features.
Correct. Apparently I know better than Mozilla.
i genuinely don't understand if there's a market for people who want ai features that aren't fine with chrome
That's kind of my whole point. Mozilla needs to be an option for people who are fine with chrome.
people who are fine with chrome are just gonna stick with chrome. by adding AI and other bullshit features, they're just pushing away people like me, who chose them specifically because they're not like chrome
I'm in a difficult position here.
Mozilla has taken a series of terrible strategic positions over the last decade and I'm not trying to make a case that any of those were good ideas, nor am I supporting the addition of this AI bullshit presently. I'll switch to whatever fork doesn't include these AI chat bots.
That said, I do understand why mozilla leadership is moving in this direction.... for the millionth time, they're trying to attract the 98% of the market who presently doesn't use firefox, they're not trying to endear themselves to you - the 2% of the market who presently does use firefox.
You can make a case that this particular feature is the wrong move, but ultimately you're arguing against extensive modelling and market research and strategic analysis conducted by a large sophisticated organisation with anecdotal insights.