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Nowhere in the Holy Bible is it implied God is anything other than a dude. It's always father this and king that when referring to God.
Unless you mean Joseph is non-binary? In which case, again, no. He's just a cuckold who didn't ever consummate his marriage to Mary, and they both died as virgins. Which is honestly the most unbelievable part of the whole story.
God is three entities: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. That sounds like an extension of the nonbinarism of Two Spirit to me.
Yahweh was always a dude and even had a wife before these new age cultists wrote her out of the story. Typical.
Ashera was not completely erased but to a degree merged with her husband and therefore gave him female and arguably non binary features
The people believing in this deity today don't think so and you won't convince them otherwise.
Yeah, even if there were a whole section of the bible describing god as a woman people would still fight you for even suggesting that they're not 100% man.
God is described as a nurturing mother sometimes
Those people aren't a monolith. Some do think so
I was pondering altering my post to "(Most of) the people" but honestly, from what I know, I don't think the people considering the Christian god anything other than manly masculine male are a significantly large group to have any effect on anything. At some point it's impossible to take any and all aberrations into account if you want to have a meaningful discussion.
In your last comment you said "this deity" and that includes Christians with different views on God. But if you ment it in the sense of a very masculine conceptualization, I misunderstood and totally agree
RIP Asherah. #neverforget
I hate to be the "umm actually guy🤓", but in the bible God is described as both man and woman. God is described as a being beyond gender as God is a spirit.
The most promiment ones describe God as father, but he's also often described as mother and attributed female traits to them.
But as I said that's none of my business.
often described as a mother [in the Bible]
Definitely going to need a source for that one. Isaiah 66:13 is a one-off similie to mothers comforting their children, but I don't think you'd then turn around, read Psalm 42:1, and think that David is an otherkin and that God identifies as waterself.
hey leave your heteronormativity out of the bible david can be whoever they want
Is it possible for a concept of binary gender to exist in a species which has only ever had one member?
species which has only ever had one member?
That is a fascinating approach. What does it eat? Where does it live? What are its habits? I strongly suspect Jane Goodall is on the case, but I don't expect to hear back from her anytime soon...
I recall (but am not up to finding at this hour) one spot in the OT where someone is talking about God feeding mankind with the milk from his breast. And I think he “birthed” ice and snow in the book of Job?
But in this case, the Holy Spirit is the one that “came on Mary.”
God the father and God the son are masculine, but God the spirit is without gender.
Also, Jesus had brothers in the story, and they don’t seem to be supernatural beings, so I think it was consummated eventually.
Jesus had brothers in the apocryphal books, that are not usually recognized as part of the Bible (the church says because they have been written later than the four main ones)
The book of Acts is not generally considered apocryphal.
Jesus had siblings. There is even a record of one, John, being executed by being thrown from a high place.
If I remember correctly, there are older pieces of the Bible that come from a time where Jahve was only one of a duality of Gods, male god Jahve and a female god that later got incorporated into Jahve.
Shady reference that just partially overlaps
IIRC, the virgin Mary stuff is mostly Catholic sanctification stuff. They wanted to make her "pure" so they said she was a virgin.
"... died as virgins."
Holy shit, one of us?
If the story is to be believed, Jesus was conceived via parthenogenesis (aka immaculate conception aka unfertilized egg). This means Jesus had only X chromosomes and yet presented as male. Jesus was definitely somewhere on the line of intersex, transgender, non-binary, et. al.
This is funny and makes me smile
He had a Holy Father who was into rape.
Are you trying to say God isn't a man? Preposterous! Next thing you're going to claim Jesus wasn't blond and blue eyed!
next you'll be trying to convince me the 12 apostles wasn't his gay harem. preposterous!
If conservative Christians cared what the Bible said, I’m sure they would be very upset!
Christians Read the Bible Challenge (they never do)
As living proof to the contrary, I wouldn't say never. :p
But we sure are a rarity, I'll give you that! (And admittedly, I could stand to be more thorough.)
Nothing infuriates me more than cherry-picking things out of context to support heinous and inhumane ideas, the way they do. The Americhristian cult is one of evil's most potent weapons right now...
Certainly one topic I'm always happy to be proven wrong on
Not a definite disagreement on the the non binary part but overwhelmingly, the God of the bible is male presenting including having a penis
Man, it's always fun listening to scholars make vague and circular arguments like you see in that video. So many times there's an interpretation that's taken as fact, and bolstered by other parts that both support and rely on the initial supposition to be true to be true themselves, or could have been referring to the initial supposition but now used to support it.
Was Adam's penis created circumcized? Of course, because he's made in gods image and God has a circumcized penis. How do we know God has a penis? There are euphemisms in semitic languages that use the same words to refer to penises, so clearly that's what they meant. No, it doesn't say it for sure, but it has to be true! There's no way the men writing the mythos would anthropomorphize god and give it masculine characteristics while writing a text that was extremely patriarchal, as was the society at the time.
I mean, all of it is made up bullshit, so analyzing it to that degree is silly.
Yeah, how silly to critically analyze ancient historical/cultural texts to better understand history. Obvious the study of history is just about judging how stupid people in the past were compared to us modern day geniuses. That’s the real value of reading history - the schadenfreude of “lol those stupid ancient Greeks didn’t understand how thunder works. I’m so much smarter than they were.”
It’s not like there’s any value in trying to watch the evolution of a cultures belief over time, and try to see if you can better understand patterns and trends in human behavior. The Bible is poopoo for dumdums, and there’s no value in anything that isn’t STEM.
The bible is not a historical text though. It was made up hundreds of years after the time it claims to depict.
Look up when Tacitus was writing his histories versus when they happened. Most ancient history is written years after the fact.
They also give us historical information about the time they were written, even if we can’t trust their accounts of the time they claim to describe.
Also, most books in the New Testament were written within a matter of decades.
Y’all really need to take some history classes. We don’t treat sources as if they are infallible depictions of events. We think about bias. We think about corroborating evidence. And if there are problems in a source, that doesn’t mean it has no value.
One of his fathers was also his son
Bethlehem is in Palestine. Jesus was a Palestinian.
Yeah, well most (if not, all) religion is male-dominated, so it's natural to think God is a man. That's a pretty unhealthy point of view, especially considering that the entire world is run by men, which means egos running wild, one-upmanship on the reg, violence ad nauseum, not to mention followers oppressing anyone that doesn't fit the mold. That's not religion; that's dominator culture. Knocking your head on the floor is just going to give you brain damage.
And he make out with Judas. Always surrounded himself with poor hard working people.